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75.0 木
SC=12, FS=2 TS=16

SAT-06594
Not unified to 𢿵 U+22FF5, different structures, IRG 60.
Similar To: Similar: 𢿧 (U+22FE7)/
U+22FF5U+22FF5
U+22FE7U+22FE7
Attributes:



Review Comments

Type
Description
Submitter
Other
COMMENT
WS2021 v3.0
[ Resolved ]
similar to U+22FF5
U+22FF5
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2022-06-28 12:48:53 UTC
Data for Unihan
UNIHAN_DATA
WS2021 v3.0
kFanqie 樀更反 讁更反

Note: The 反切上字 in the first evidence is not right.
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2022-06-28 12:52:11 UTC
Modified
Evidence
NEW_EVIDENCE
WS2021 v4.0
[ Resolved ]

▲ 《合併字學集篇》, 明萬曆刻本, 卷之一
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2023-02-08 05:28:42 UTC
Unification
UNIFICATION
WS2021 v4.0
[ Resolved ]
U+22FF5
We should consider if UCV #307 is suitable for this case to unify with 𢿵 (U+22FF5).



IDS should also be ⿺棠攵.
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2023-02-08 05:35:40 UTC
Unification
UNIFICATION
WS2021 v4.0
[ Resolved ]
Agree with Eiso #11437 in principle. We may actually need to set a separate category to indicate that different arrangements of the same components are still unifiable in some cases. Some of these cases may be caused by the length of the strokes in the components, others not.

The importance of setting this classification is that structural differences sometimes lead to non-cognateness and disunifiability. If it is necessary to qualify some of the unifiable cases, a special section will be needed to discuss them.

Since UCV #307 belongs to “j-2. Differences in relative length of strokes”, it may indicate that the length of the strokes [should be in a single component?] leads to differences in the analysis of component structure. But even so, some examples classified as UCV #307 or UCV #305 should be treated as different arrangement of components, like 𢣁 in UCV #305 and examples in UCV #305b/305c/305d.

In this case, we may find:

⿱ ~ ⿹:
螜 ~ 𧏚, 𡠆 ~ 㜌, 𣖫 ~ 榖 ...
頾 ~ 頿, 𩒹 ~ 䫇, 嬃 ~ 𡡓 ...
𣻯 ~ 潁, ⿱頃山 (睡虎地) ~ ⿹頃山, ⿱頃糸 (漢字海) ~ 顈

⿰ ~ ⿺:
𣤚 ~ 燞, ⿺焦刂 B00243-002 ~ 劁 B00243

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For ⿱⿰尚A木 ~ ⿰棠A, I can only find ⿱敞木 and 𢿧𢿵𭣜. Consider:

𢿵:
[一切經音義] 染衣倀, [倀] 摘更反, 或作▲, 考聲云 “▲, 展也, 從木敞聲, 律中 (根本説一切有部毘奈耶尼陀那目得迦攝頌) 從手從貞作揁 (“霑衣大小便, 染衣揁認衣”), 非也”.

𢿧:
[一切經音義] 衣▲, [▲] 讁庚反, 考聲云 “𭣜, 展也, 從木敞聲, 律本作揁, 非也”.

𭣜:
[一切經音義] 𢿦前, 上讁更反, 經作楨, 非也. 楨音客庚反, 琴瑟聲也, 若以爲楨像字, 於義乖失. 今偕𭣜字, 用之稍近於理, 順俗爲去聲呼也.
[一切經音義] 衣𢿧, [𢿧] 讁庚反, 考聲云 “▲, 展也, 從木敞聲, 律本作揁, 非也”.

So ⿱敞木 and 𢿧𢿵𭣜 can be analyzed as being unfiable.
Kushim JIANG
Individual
2023-03-01 16:18:35 UTC
Unification
UNIFICATION
WS2021 v4.0
[ Resolved ]
This is an edge case.

The meaning can be related with both 木 "tree" and 攴 "strike", and 一切經音義 consistently consider the semantic component should be 木, while later dictionaries think 攴. The 尚 component is composable with both, and no matter which interpretation you make, the structural integrity of the other possibility is broken.
WANG Yifan
SAT
2023-03-09 08:09:03 UTC
Unification
NO_UNIFICATION
WS2021 v4.0
[ Resolved ]
「從木敞聲 」should be sufficient to determine this to be a different abstract shape to 𢿵 U+22FF5.
Henry CHAN
Individual
2023-03-22 02:34:24 UTC

Meeting Minutes

DateDescription
IRG #60
2023-03-22 (Wed)
10:36 am +0800
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
Not unified to 𢿵 U+22FF5
IRG #60
2023-03-22 (Wed)
10:37 am +0800
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
not Unified to 𢿵 U+22FF5, different structures.

Attribute Changes

VersionDescription
5.0
For 01842, add Discussion Record "Not unified to 𢿵 U+22FF5, different structures, IRG 60."

Glyph Changes

Source ReferenceGlyph
SAT-06594
1.0

Raw Info
groupSAT
a) Source referenceSAT-06594
b) PUA Code of TTFF1A9
c) KangXi Radical Code(Primary)075.0
d) Stroke Count(Primary)12
e) First Stroke(Primary)2
g) Total Stroke Sount16
i) IDS (Ideographic Description Sequence)⿱敞木
j) Similar/ Variants Similar: 𢿧/
k) Ref. to Evidence docSAT-06594-01.jpg;SAT-06594-02.jpg;SAT-06594-03.jpg
l) Optional infoN/A
m1)Previous IRG WSN/A
m2)Sequence No of Previous IRG WSN/A