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02801
112.0 石
SC=12, FS=2 TS=17

TE-2622
IRGN2632WS2021v6.0Pending
Pending for further investigation, IRG 60.
Attributes:



Review Comments

Type
Description
Submitter
Evidence
EVIDENCE
WS2021 v2.0
[ Resolved ]
The evidence image, which is simply a code chart excerpt, is insufficient. While the link to the CNS 11643 website is better, it also is insufficient. A dictionary entry or book excerpt that explains its meaning or shows the ideograph in context is desirable.
Ken LUNDE
UTC
2021-11-25 14:12:19 UTC
Evidence
EVIDENCE
WS2021 v2.0
[ Resolved ]
Agree with comment by Ken Lunde.
Andrew WEST
UK
2022-01-05 12:36:28 UTC
Evidence
EVIDENCE
WS2021 v2.0
[ Resolved ]
IRGN2486 (TCA's submission for WS2021) indicates that the evidence image is from the household service database, from which the name on each person's ID card is printed. It is not simply a code chart; it is an official government document with legal effect. For further explanation, please see IRGN2546.
Conifer TSENG
TCA
2022-03-03 10:11:57 UTC
Data for Unihan
SEMANTIC_VARIANT
WS2021 v3.0
variant of U+7936 礶?
Lee COLLINS
Vietnam
2022-06-25 18:54:05 UTC
Other
COMMENT
WS2021 v3.0
[ Resolved ]
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2022-07-25 01:24:19 UTC
Unification
UNIFICATION
WS2021 v4.0
[ Resolved ]
WANG Yifan
SAT
2023-02-17 05:36:36 UTC
Unification
UNIFICATION
WS2021 v4.0
[ Resolved ]
According to new UCV #307c, TCA agrees to unify, and TCA wants to keep 02801(⿰石萑).

These two characters are a good case in which reading is based.
Conifer TSENG
TCA
2023-03-16 09:19:12 UTC
Unification
NO_UNIFICATION
WS2021 v4.0
[ Resolved ]
The character 萑 can be read "huán" or "zhuī". 碓 is read "duì". Although there is some obvious phonetic overlap due to the shared phonetic 隹, the semantic spread would not normally allow unification of the 萑 and 碓 components, as is being proposed here. As students of Chinese historical phonology well know, the phonetic elements of characters are a valuable, though not perfect, guide to character meanings and cognate relationships. Even though TCA does not attach importance to character readings, the users of those characters do and have provided different readings for T9-7658 and TE-2622.

Moreover, due to it's shape and Vietnamese reading "hoàn", 萑 can be found as a simplification of the component 雚. For example, U+28B36 𨬶, "quán", meaning "tub". This is also a possibly unifiable variant of the component ⿱龷隹 found in U+2D13F 𭄿, U+2B790 𫞐, etc., which in Vietnamese are written with one less stroke as seen in the picture below. In general, it would be best to only unify characters with different structures when those differences do signal different readings.
Lee COLLINS
Vietnam
2023-03-22 17:55:58 UTC
Unification
NO_UNIFICATION
WS2021 v4.0
[ Resolved ]
Agree with Lee for no unification.

Based on Lee’s analysis, the right part is derived from 雚, that means the upper right component should be the vulgar variant form of 卝 not, 艸. The new UCV mentioned in WS2021-02950:TE-2668 is not suitable for this case.

https://seal.cmex.org.tw/view.jsp?ID=2652
02950
竹 118.11.1
TE-2668
TS 17 · IDS 𭅗


For the glyph, the vulgar variant of 雚 is often written as 萑 with three-stroke 艹, so there is no need to change the glyph as the vulgar one.
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2023-03-23 05:10:26 UTC
Editorial
EDITORIAL_ISSUE
WS2021 v6.0
[ New ]
Is this still pending?
Ken LUNDE
UTC
2024-02-09 21:55:33 UTC
Editorial
EDITORIAL_ISSUE
WS2021 v6.0
[ New ]
Yes, still pending.
Selena WEI
TCA
2024-03-19 04:32:04 UTC

Meeting Minutes

DateDescription
IRG #60
2023-03-22 (Wed)
11:40 am +0800
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
pending for further investigation, 02801(⿰石萑).

Attribute Changes

VersionDescription
5.0
For 02801, change Status to Postponed
5.0
For 02801, add Discussion Record "Pending for further investigation, IRG 60."

Glyph Changes

Source ReferenceGlyph
TE-2622
1.0

Raw Info
groupTCA
a) Source referenceTE-2622
b) PUA Code of TTFE1D6
c) KangXi Radical Code112.0
e) Stroke Count12
f) First Stroke2
g) Total stroke count17
i) IDS⿰石萑
j) Similar/ VariantsNo
k) Ref. to Evidence docIRGN2486_TCA_WS2021_evi_03
k1) Page No.Page8, no.1138
l) Optional infohuán