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72.0 日
SC=4, FS=3 TS=8

TB-5D3F
Attributes:



Review Comments

Type
Description
Submitter
Evidence
EVIDENCE
WS2021 v3.0
[ Resolved ]
For all TCA-submitted ideographs that include only this type of evidence, which is effectively an excerpt from the CNS 11643 standard, such evidence alone is insufficient. Their presence in the CNS 11643 standard can certainly serve as supplementary evidence, but it should not be the sole evidence. Other member bodies submit evidence that either shows the ideographs in actual use or in a published dictionary.
Ken LUNDE
UTC
2022-06-20 20:06:16 UTC
Other
COMMENT
WS2021 v3.0
[ Unresolved ]
similar to WS2021-01661:TC-3C54
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2022-06-27 09:07:41 UTC
Evidence
NEW_EVIDENCE
WS2021 v3.0
[ Unresolved ]
also as KC-10920
http://www.koreanhistory.or.kr/newchar/list_view.jsp?code=160502
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2022-06-27 09:13:21 UTC
Evidence
EVIDENCE
WS2021 v3.0
[ Resolved ]
It is normal for name characters to be included in CNS 11643, but TCA does not submit CNS 11643 as the sole evidence.

All ideographic evidence submitted by TCA is NOT TAKEN from the CNS 11643 standard, but is specially produced from the database of the Household Service Department. It is a proof of actual need/use. It is an official document with an official seal.


What Ken's understanding of TCA evidence is incorrect. Or are you talking about "actual use" in some other meaning that TCA does not understand?
Conifer TSENG
TCA
2022-10-17 09:23:26 UTC
Other
COMMENT
WS2021 v4.0
[ Unresolved ]
Re #6938 above. The reading given for WS2021-01661:TC-3C54 is "pàn", while this is "xī". If that information is reliable, then I don' think these are cognate. The relationship with KC-10920 is more believable, since the reading 힐 (hil) has the same initial ㅎ (h) as in the phonetic 兮 혜 (hyey).
Lee COLLINS
Vietnam
2023-01-29 18:56:43 UTC
Other
COMMENT
WS2021 v4.0
[ Unresolved ]
similar to U+6610 昐 and WS2021-01661
U+6610
01661
日 72.5.3
TC-3C54
TS 9 · IDS
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2023-02-27 02:13:57 UTC
Other
COMMENT
WS2021 v4.0
[ Unresolved ]
These two characters are not related, and their origins are in the Land system(TB-5D3F) and the household system(TC-3C54) separately.
Conifer TSENG
TCA
2023-03-17 09:27:25 UTC

Meeting Minutes

DateDescription
IRG #62
2024-03-21 (Thu)
9:12 am +0800
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
additional evidence accepted.

Attribute Changes

VersionDescription
7.0
For 01657, add Discussion Record "Evidence accepted, IRG 62."

Glyph Changes

Source ReferenceGlyph
TB-5D3F
1.0

Raw Info
groupTCA
a) Source referenceTB-5D3F
b) PUA Code of TTFE0E9
c) KangXi Radical Code72.0
e) Stroke Count4
f) First Stroke3
g) Total stroke count8
i) IDS⿰日兮
j) Similar/ VariantsNo
k) Ref. to Evidence docIRGN2486_TCA_WS2021_evi_02
k1) Page No.Page6, no.457
l) Optional info