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102.0 田
&P4-05;
SC=4, FS=3 TS=9

GDM-00374
Evidence accepted, IRG 60.
Similar To: 𪀋 (U+2A00B)
U+2A00BU+2A00B
Attributes:



Review Comments

Type
Description
Submitter
Data for Unihan
TRAD_VARIANT
WS2021 v2.0
U+2A00B 𪀋
Ken LUNDE
UTC
2021-11-24 14:27:00 UTC
Data for Unihan
UNIHAN_DATA
WS2021 v3.0
kMandarin lià

Kangxi Dictionary shows U+2A00B 𪀋 is the variant of 鴨, but “duck” is ꓯꓹ [ɛ³⁵] in Lisu language, so the submitted character is not related for the usage in KX.
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2022-07-09 15:40:55 UTC
Modified
Evidence
NEW_EVIDENCE
WS2021 v4.0
[ Resolved ]
This character could be treated as the vendor requirement of Hanyi Fonts. Note that there are quite a lot of wrong factual statements about the encoding and font in the following video, and “生僻字” is still not a well term for our encoding works, but easy to understand for the public accompanied by many unnecessary misunderstandings at the same time.


▲ 汉仪字库: 《中文上万个“生僻字”,都能打出来吗? | 字体研究院》, https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1v84y1J7GY
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2023-03-01 04:34:16 UTC
Other
COMMENT
WS2021 v5.0
[ Unresolved ]
Based on the analysis of different IRG experts, this character is to record the Lisu word “bird”. The following picture shows the Lisu Zhushu form, Fraser form (ꓠꓬꓹ) and IPA form (niɛ³⁵) of this word. The current Hanzi form is not related to the corresponding Lisu Zhushu form.


▲ ꓪꓰꓲ-ꓫꓲ ꓡꓲ-ꓢꓴ ꓫꓵꓽ ꓚꓲꓸ ꓛꓬꓽ ꓙꓵꓽ ꓫꓯꓹ ꓤꓶꓽ ꓟꓲꓽ ꓚꓶꓹ ꓩꓴꓺ꓾ ꓬꓱꓽ-ꓧꓯꓺ-ꓚꓳ꓾ ꓩꓳꓺ-ꓬꓱꓹ-ꓛꓶꓽ꓾ 《ꓡꓲ-ꓢꓴ ꓫꓵꓽ ꓟꓻ ꓭꓼ ꓕꓳꓽ ꓶꓽ ꓝꓳꓹ ꓢꓳꓺ ꓓꓴ》꓾ 潞西: ᥟᥩᥒᥲ ᥟᥩᥐᥱ ᥘᥣᥭᥰ ᥟᥣ ᥛᥥᥝᥰ ᥖᥬᥲ ᥑᥨᥒᥰ, 2013.10, ISBN 978-7-80750-959-2/H·37, p. 84

The following shows the Lisu Zhushu form, Fraser form (ꓯꓹ) and IPA form (ɛ³⁵) of the word “duck”.


▲ ꓪꓰꓲ-ꓫꓲ ꓡꓲ-ꓢꓴ ꓫꓵꓽ ꓚꓲꓸ ꓛꓬꓽ ꓙꓵꓽ ꓫꓯꓹ ꓤꓶꓽ ꓟꓲꓽ ꓚꓶꓹ ꓩꓴꓺ꓾ ꓬꓱꓽ-ꓧꓯꓺ-ꓚꓳ꓾ ꓩꓳꓺ-ꓬꓱꓹ-ꓛꓶꓽ꓾ 《ꓡꓲ-ꓢꓴ ꓫꓵꓽ ꓟꓻ ꓭꓼ ꓕꓳꓽ ꓶꓽ ꓝꓳꓹ ꓢꓳꓺ ꓓꓴ》꓾ 潞西: ᥟᥩᥒᥲ ᥟᥩᥐᥱ ᥘᥣᥭᥰ ᥟᥣ ᥛᥥᥝᥰ ᥖᥬᥲ ᥑᥨᥒᥰ, 2013.10, ISBN 978-7-80750-959-2/H·37, p. 82

We have known this character is different from 鸭 for the Lisu uses, that means it is OK to encode, but it is too early to confirm the rationale now, because we still don’t know how the Lisu people read the Han character and the phonology and readings of the corresponding Chinese Southwestern Mandarin-dialect of the nearest place. If we can’t confirm these when we encode this character in UCS and Unicode, I suggest not include the kMandarin property value in Unihan database.
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2023-04-23 14:09:12 UTC
Other
COMMENT
WS2021 v5.0
[ Unresolved ]


▲ China NB. Proposal to Encode the Lisu Monosyllabic Script. WG2 N5047 = L2/19-208: pdf page 56.



▲ 木玉璋. 傈僳族音节文字字典. 知识版权出版社, 2006: page 193.

The three Lisu Zhushu characters recording “bird” /niɛ˧˥/ are different.
Kushim JIANG
Individual
2023-04-23 14:29:28 UTC
Other
COMMENT
WS2021 v5.0
[ Unresolved ]


This character has been added to Service platform for National Professional and technician qualification test (全国专业技术人员资格考试报名服务平台) in China, which the PUA code is U+E022.

Eiso CHAN
Individual
2023-08-18 04:22:58 UTC

Meeting Minutes

DateDescription
IRG #60
2023-03-21 (Tue)
1:35 am +0800
Recorded by Henry CHAN
Evidence accepted (automatically processed by ORT manager)

Attribute Changes

VersionDescription
5.0
For 02582, add Discussion Record "Evidence accepted, IRG 60."

Glyph Changes

Source ReferenceGlyph
GDM-00374
1.0

Raw Info
groupChina (GDM - Place Name Characters)
a) Source referenceGDM-00374
b) PUA Code of TTFE2F4
c) KangXi Radical Code(Primary)102.0
d) Stroke Count(Primary)4
e) First Stroke(Primary)3
g) Total Stroke Count9
i) IDS (Ideographic Description Sequence)⿹&P4-05;甲
j) Similar/ Variants U+2A00B 𪀋
k) Ref. to Evidence doc中华人民共和国第二代居民身份证 云南省永胜县地名志