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140.0 艸
SC=14, FS=1 TS=18

TE-3042
Evidence accepted, glyph no change, IRG 57.
Attributes:



Review Comments

Type
Description
Submitter
Evidence
EVIDENCE
WS2021 v1.0
[ Resolved ]

雜字
TAO Yang
China
2021-06-08 04:08:35 UTC
Glyph Design & Normalization
NORMALIZATION
WS2021 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
Normalize to ⿱蒜心
Andrew WEST
UK
2021-06-09 10:08:49 UTC
Glyph Design & Normalization
NORMALIZATION
WS2021 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
This glyph is used for personal name, so it is not normalized.
Conifer TSENG
TCA
2021-08-04 08:32:48 UTC
Glyph Design & Normalization
NORMALIZATION
WS2021 v2.0
[ Resolved ]
Personal name usage is no reason not to normalize the glyph to conform to TCA conventions. I still believe that the grass radical should be normalized.
Andrew WEST
UK
2022-01-10 14:01:01 UTC
Glyph Design & Normalization
NORMALIZATION
WS2021 v2.0
[ Resolved ]
The origin of this character is a name character, and we cannot change it at will. If we change it to [艹], the character will not be used on the ID card, so we are creating a character that no one uses, and we are losing the intent of the character we submitted.
Please see IRGN2546 for more information on the normalization of the TCA glyph.
Conifer TSENG
TCA
2022-03-04 05:30:13 UTC
Evidence
NEW_EVIDENCE
WS2021 v5.0
[ Unresolved ]
The complete source name of the evidence provided in comment #1999 should be《雜集時用要字》(Дx02822) from the Russian Dunhuang collections.


▲ 敦煌經部文獻合集.小學類字書之屬(中華書局, 2008, ISBN 9787101060355)pp. 4231

In the new evidence, 張湧泉 considers ⿱蒜心 as a variant of 蒜.
HUANG Junliang
Individual
2023-09-01 20:43:19 UTC
Glyph Design & Normalization
NORMALIZATION
WS2021 v6.0
[ Resolved ]
To follow up on Comment #5880, TCA is doing a massive disservice to UCS and to the entire standardization community by not normalizing their representative glyphs to follow regional conventions, which is something that seemed to have started from Extension E with Radical #162. What TCA submits for UCS, in terms of representative glyphs, can be different from a specific font implementation that is used by Taiwan's personal name database. By not doing so, it gives the impression that TCA is submitting glyphs, not characters, to the IRG.
Ken LUNDE
UTC
2024-02-11 14:43:30 UTC
Attributes
ATTRIBUTES_IDS
WS2021 v6.0
[ Resolved ]
Also, all of the component shapes are unifiable, so there is no reason to include the 〾 prefix for the IDS.
Ken LUNDE
UTC
2024-02-11 14:45:55 UTC
Glyph Design & Normalization
NORMALIZATION
WS2021 v6.0
[ Resolved ]
I strongly agree with comment #15030, and also comment #15031.
Andrew WEST
UK
2024-02-11 19:51:18 UTC
Glyph Design & Normalization
GLYPH_DESIGN
WS2021 v6.0
[ Resolved ]
TCA understands your viewpoint. (From my perspective, I agree with your point. )
The issue is, when the characters are normalized, they might not be what people or scholars who use them actually need. TCA has been deliberating on how to strike a balance between the two.
When submitting the WS2024 character set or others, TCA will try its best to select forms that follow Taiwan regional conventions.
Selena WEI
TCA
2024-03-15 08:52:22 UTC
Attributes
ATTRIBUTES_IDS
WS2021 v6.0
[ Resolved ]
Agree
Selena WEI
TCA
2024-03-19 03:20:20 UTC
Attributes
ATTRIBUTES_RADICAL
WS2021 v6.0
[ Resolved ]
Feedback on #15030
It is not possible to modify the glyph卝 into 艹, in Taiwan, there is a difference between 卝 and 艹 . TCA recommends change the radical to 心.
Selena WEI
TCA
2024-03-19 05:08:59 UTC

Meeting Minutes

DateDescription
IRG #62
2024-03-20 (Wed)
8:52 am +0800
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
radical 心, fs2, sc14.
IRG #62
2024-03-20 (Wed)
10:32 am +0800
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
glyph no change.
IRG #57
2021-09-17 (Fri)
9:04 am +0800
Recorded by Henry CHAN
Evidence accepted, glyph no change (automatically processed by IRG ORT Manager)

Attribute Changes

VersionDescription
2.0
For 03433, add Discussion Record "Evidence accepted, glyph no change, IRG 57."
7.0
For 03433, change Radical to 61.0 (心)
7.0
For 03433, change Stroke Count to 14
7.0
For 03433, change First Stroke to 2
7.0
For 03433, add Discussion Record "R=61.0 (心), SC=14, FS=2, IRG 62."

Glyph Changes

Source ReferenceGlyph
TE-3042
1.0

Raw Info
groupTCA
a) Source referenceTE-3042
b) PUA Code of TTFE3A5
c) KangXi Radical Code140.0
e) Stroke Count14
f) First Stroke1
g) Total stroke count18
i) IDS〾⿱蒜心
j) Similar/ VariantsNo
k) Ref. to Evidence docIRGN2486_TCA_WS2021_evi_02
k1) Page No.Page14, no.711
l) Optional infosuàn