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167.0 金
SC=9, FS=3 TS=17

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GKJ-00934
IRGN2632WS2021v6.0Pending
Postponed for evidence, IRG 58.
Evidence accepted, glyph to be updated, IDS=⿱信金, IRG 57.
Attributes:



Review Comments

Type
Description
Submitter
Evidence
EVIDENCE
WS2021 v1.0
[ Resolved ]


Glyph dose not match the evidence, change the glyph.
TAO Yang
China
2021-06-07 02:12:04 UTC
Attributes
ATTRIBUTES_IDS
WS2021 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
Change the IDS and glyph to ⿱信金 to match the evidence.
Andrew WEST
UK
2021-06-07 10:45:58 UTC
Other
COMMENT
WS2021 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
There are so many wrongly-designed glyphs in the China submission! (probably more than 5%) It seems that the font glyphs were designed on the basis of IDS only, and in many cases the IDS was wrong so the glyph was wrongly designed. The font glyph designer should always have view of the evidence to ensure correct glyph design and acceptable quality of IRG submission.
Andrew WEST
UK
2021-06-07 10:52:31 UTC
Other
COMMENT
WS2021 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
We have found 34 encoded or WS2017 characters and 15 wrong glyphs which can't be unified. (49/1223)*100%=4.0%.
Xieyang WANG
Individual
2021-06-07 17:23:10 UTC
Other
COMMENT
WS2021 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
In IRG PnP, it says:
In assessing the suitability of a proposed ideograph for encoding, IRG will evaluate the credibility and quality of the submitter's proposal. If IRG finds more than 5% of the submitter’s source set are duplicates of characters in the above mentioned proposals during IRG review process, the whole submission will be removed from the subsequent IRG working drafts for that particular IRG project. However, the 5% rule does not apply if the submitter explicitly raises questions about unification/dis-unification for concrete cases in the proposal of characters.

It should be noted that the 5% rule is a general yardstick to remind submitters to adhere to IRG submission requirements and do a good screening job before submission to reduce the workload of reviewers for quality review. In practice, most submissions should have problems within the 1% range. In this regard, submitters should not interpret the rule as submissions with problems within the 5% range will definitely be accepted. IRG has the right to review the problem cases and decide not to accept a submission even if it has problems within the 5% range (especially when the figure is very close to 5%).

So the number of duplicates is 34, 34/1223*100%=2.8%, it's not close to 5%.
However, this can be a reminder to China.
Xieyang WANG
Individual
2021-06-07 17:32:24 UTC
Glyph Design & Normalization
GLYPH_DESIGN
WS2021 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
Should modify the glyph as below.

Eiso CHAN
Individual
2021-06-24 05:58:14 UTC
Unification
UNIFICATION
WS2021 v2.0
[ Resolved ]
GKJ-00832
Eddie LI
Individual
2021-10-20 12:48:51 UTC
Unification
UNIFICATION
WS2021 v2.0
[ Resolved ]
04106
金 167.9.3
GKJ-00832
TS 17 · IDS
unify to WS2021-04106:GKJ-00832

They are duplicates now.
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2021-11-28 02:51:06 UTC
Unification
UNIFICATION
WS2021 v2.0
[ Resolved ]
Unify.
TAO Yang
China
2022-03-14 19:09:53 UTC
Other
COMMENT
WS2021 v2.0
[ Resolved ]
In the meeting, Tao Yang said that he will try to find further evidence for the original submitted glyph ⿰信金, or withdraw otherwise.
Henry CHAN
Individual
2022-03-15 01:59:26 UTC

Meeting Minutes

DateDescription
IRG #58
2022-03-15 (Tue)
9:54 am +0800
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
Unified to WS2021-04106
IRG #58
2022-03-15 (Tue)
9:57 am +0800
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
Postponed for evidence.
IRG #57
2021-09-17 (Fri)
8:54 am +0800
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
Evidence accepted, ids and glyph to be changed.

Attribute Changes

VersionDescription
2.0
For 04108, add Discussion Record "Evidence accepted, glyph to be updated, IDS=⿱信金, IRG 57."
2.0
For 04108, change IDS to ⿱信金
3.0
For 04108, change Status to Postponed
3.0
For 04108, add Discussion Record "Postponed for evidence, IRG 58."

Glyph Changes

Source ReferenceGlyph
GKJ-00934
1.0
🢂
2.0

Raw Info
groupChina (GKJ - Science and Technology Characters)
a) Source referenceGKJ-00934
b) PUA Code of TTFE36A
c) KangXi Radical Code(Primary)167.0
d) Stroke Count(Primary)9
e) First Stroke(Primary)3
g) Total Stroke Count17
i) IDS (Ideographic Description Sequence)⿰信金
j) Similar/ Variants N/A
k) Ref. to Evidence doc近代化学译著中的化学元素词研究