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30.0 口
SC=16, FS=5 TS=19

SAT-90136
IRGN2632WS2021v6.0Pending
Postponed for further discussion of encoding model, IRG 57.
Similar To: Non-similar and synonym: 萬 (U+842C)/
U+842CU+842C
Attributes:



Review Comments

Type
Description
Submitter
Evidence
UNCLEAR_EVIDENCE
WS2021 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
The right component of the middle part doesn't seems to be "氏".
Xieyang WANG
Individual
2021-05-19 09:35:35 UTC
Other
OTHER
WS2021 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
I think we should discuss whether this could be categorized as Han ideograph or be treated as Han ideograph.
Xieyang WANG
Individual
2021-05-19 14:55:51 UTC
Evidence
EVIDENCE
WS2021 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
Please check the waseda.ac.jp link; that glyph is most authoritative, but their images are not free to redistribute.
WANG Yifan
SAT
2021-05-20 06:06:45 UTC
Other
COMMENT
WS2021 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
As UTC withheld the decision on whether it is a CJK ideograph, we need to consult IRG whether to accept it as an ideograph. Any suggestion is welcome.
WANG Yifan
SAT
2021-07-26 08:06:09 UTC
Other
OTHER
WS2021 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
I think that this glyph should definitely be encoded as a CJK ideograph.

This glyph most likely came from the word 'svastika' (like the evidense says) written in Siddham script, and then reimagined as a Chinese character, with typical CJK elements (except for the lowest part, but it is written as 口 in the first evidence anyways).

There are more CJK ideograph that evolved from Siddham: both encoded (U+2007C & U+2CF36) and currently unencoded (IRG2017: V-F000E / IRG2021: UK-20566~UK-20572). Many of them are listed in the 字孳補 dictionary.

On the picture you can see my preliminary thoughts on Siddham prototypes for those glyphs (this needs more research, as in some cases, I think, phonetics/forms do not match the glyphs).
PERSIKOV Maksim Sergeevich
Individual
2021-08-27 20:16:32 UTC
Glyph Design & Normalization
GLYPH_DESIGN
WS2021 v3.0
[ Resolved ]
(宋)釋法雲撰,《翻譯名義集‧六‧唐梵字體篇第五十五》

https://cbetaonline.dila.edu.tw/zh/T2131_006

Need to reconfirm what this glyph should be.
Conifer TSENG
TCA
2022-07-07 10:05:43 UTC
Glyph Design & Normalization
GLYPH_DESIGN
WS2021 v3.0
[ Resolved ]
This character is probably not built upon the normal CJK strokes basis. We are intending to unify all occurrences of this character in our documents to the waseda glyph.
WANG Yifan
SAT
2022-09-09 07:22:25 UTC
Other
COMMENT
WS2021 v3.0
[ Resolved ]
No alternative encoding model has been proposed, and in my opinion there is no good reason not to encode this single character as a CJK unified ideograph. Therefore suggest moving it back to the M-set.
Andrew WEST
UK
2022-09-10 10:21:51 UTC

Meeting Minutes

DateDescription
IRG #62
2024-03-20 (Wed)
10:27 am +0800
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
to be submitted to ws2024.
IRG #62
2024-03-20 (Wed)
10:27 am +0800
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
could be submitted to ws2024.
IRG #57
2021-09-17 (Fri)
9:54 am +0800
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
Postponed for further investigation for encoding model.

Attribute Changes

VersionDescription
2.0
For 00718, add Discussion Record "Postponed for further discussion of encoding model, IRG 57."
2.0
For 00718, change Status to Postponed
7.0
For 00718, add Discussion Record "May be submitted to WS2024, IRG 62."

Glyph Changes

Source ReferenceGlyph
SAT-90136
1.0

Raw Info
groupSAT
a) Source referenceSAT-90136
b) PUA Code of TTFF28D
c) KangXi Radical Code(Primary)030.0
d) Stroke Count(Primary)16
e) First Stroke(Primary)5
g) Total Stroke Sount19
i) IDS (Ideographic Description Sequence)⿳厶⿲刃工氏⿳一⺍口
j) Similar/ Variants Non-similar and synonym: 萬/
k) Ref. to Evidence docSAT-90136-01.jpg;SAT-90136-02.jpg
l) Optional infohttps://archive.wul.waseda.ac.jp/kosho/ha04/ha04_05095/ha04_05095_0003/ha04_05095_0003_p0053.jpg
m1)Previous IRG WSExt. F
m2)Sequence No of Previous IRG WS01322