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32.0 土
𰆊
SC=2, FS=5 TS=5

UTC-03190
IRGN2632WS2021v6.0Unified&Withdrawn
Withdrawn, IRG 59.
Similar To: 壭 (U+58ED)
U+58EDU+58ED
Attributes:



Review Comments

Type
Description
Submitter
Evidence
UNCLEAR_EVIDENCE
WS2021 v2.0
[ Resolved ]
The evidence presented conflicts with the version of GB/T 12052-1989 provided by China (Mr Zhang Zhoucai) for the preparation of the original version of the URO, attached below.
The Chinese version clearly shows 士 as the top component. Moreover, this block of the standard is arranged in Hangul alphabetic order and the character in question, read 산, is situated alpabhetically between 榌, read 비 and 厁 read 산. The reading 산 clearly reflects the Korean reading of the component 士, read 사, not the element 土 shown in UTC-03190. A character composed with 土 would presumably be in another location in the chart. We need to resolve the discrepancy between the 2 documents. My understanding is that this block of GB/T 12052-1989 supports Korean language bibliographic data used in the National Library of China. We should be able to confirm the shape based on that data. Or, perhaps Korea can provide independent evidence supporting that shape. Note that the document N4008 provided by Korea in support of this character merely cites the problematic version of GB/T 12052-1989 and does not supply independent evidence. It is possible that there is a ⿱土𰆊 used in Korean, but the current evidence alone is not acceptable.
Lee COLLINS
Vietnam
2021-12-13 21:37:44 UTC
Evidence
UNCLEAR_EVIDENCE (Response)
WS2021 v2.0
[ Resolved ]
1. GK-6841 (or G1-7D47) and GK-6863 (or G1-7D69) were removed from U+58ED 壭 from U+5655 噕 respectively because they don't match the ones in GB 12052.
http://std.dkuug.dk/JTC1/sc2/wg2/docs/n4008.pdf
https://unicode.org/wg2/docs/n4104.pdf (see Resolution M58.03)
This means that the form in the original GB 12052 is regarded as the final authority.

2. Actually, the virtual row 93 of GB 12345 is not always correct either. 0x7D3A is missing 罒, but 72-20 (0x6834) the original GB 12052 is not. And GK-6834 (or G1-7D3A) is mapped to U+56D5 囕, with 罒.
Jaemin CHUNG
Individual
2021-12-16 07:16:37 UTC
Evidence
UNCLEAR_EVIDENCE
WS2021 v2.0
[ Resolved ]
Citing http://std.dkuug.dk/JTC1/sc2/wg2/docs/n4008.pdf is circular reasoning by referring to a possibly bad decision based on the same faulty evidence and cannot be accepted. We still need independent confirmation of the existence and form of this character.
Lee COLLINS
Vietnam
2021-12-18 16:58:59 UTC
Evidence
UNCLEAR_EVIDENCE
WS2021 v2.0
[ Resolved ]
For this particular ideograph, I agree with Lee's explanation. I would also like to point out that treating a standard that hasn't been touched in over 30 years as a final authority, particularly when its representative glyphs were drawn by hand, is not sound. Instead, sound analysis is necessary to make a final determination. The UTC shall withdrawn this ideograph and record it as an error form of U+58ED 壭.
Ken LUNDE
UTC
2022-02-21 14:13:10 UTC
Unification
UNIFICATION
WS2021 v3.0
[ Resolved ]
Further discussion is necessary.
Ken LUNDE
UTC
2022-09-16 17:23:59 UTC
Evidence
EVIDENCE
WS2021 v3.0
[ Resolved ]
- KR agrees with Mr. Lee Collins
- KR did not see any document containing UTC-03190 glyph.
- When a new evidence containing UTC-03190 glyph is provided in the future, KR will review the evidence and post KR opinion. Until then, KR suggests not to encode UTC-03190.
KIM Kyongsok
ROK
2022-10-19 09:15:46 UTC

Meeting Minutes

DateDescription
IRG #59
2022-10-19 (Wed)
11:10 am +0800
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
pending for ROK investgation.
IRG #59
2022-10-19 (Wed)
11:10 am +0800
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
pending for ROK and China investgation.
IRG #59
2022-10-20 (Thu)
8:45 am +0800
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
withdraw.

Attribute Changes

VersionDescription
4.0
For 00785, change Status to Withdrawn
4.0
For 00785, add Discussion Record "Withdrawn, IRG 59."

Glyph Changes

Source ReferenceGlyph
UTC-03190
1.0

Raw Info
groupUTC
a) Source ReferenceUTC-03190
b) PUA Code PointU+F475
c) Kangxi Radical Code32
d) Stroke Count2
e) First Stroke5
g) Total Strokes5
i) IDS⿱土𰆊
j) Similar IdeographsU+58ED 壭
k) References for Evidence ImagesGB/T 12052-1989 72-33