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85.0 水
SC=9, FS=1 TS=12

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KC-05249
Glyph to be updated, R=85.0 (水), SC=9, FS=1, TS=12, IDS=⿰氵柝, IRG 61.
Attributes:



Review Comments

Type
Description
Submitter
Evidence
EVIDENCE
WS2021 v4.0
[ Resolved ]
It is not clear enough to confirm if it is U+2309B 𣂛.
U+2309B
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2023-02-03 15:32:25 UTC
Evidence
MISIDENTIFIED_GLYPH
WS2021 v5.0
[ Resolved ]
Here is a clearer evidence:


▲ {{http://people.aks.ac.kr/front/imageView/imageViewer.aks?exmId=EXM_MU_6JOb_1672_009544 『임자년별시문무과방목(壬子年別試文武科榜目)』
(하버드옌칭도서관(Harvard-Yenching Library)[TK 2291.7 1748 (1672)]) folio 4a}}

From the new evidence, we can notice that the shape is actually ⿰氵柝.

The text lists 李義濈's siblings. His elder brothers are 義汲,義?, his younger brothers are 義渉、義澤 and 義~. Among their names, the second character is always of the water radical. If the character were indeed ⿰朱斥, it would be very unusual as this character does not contain 氵.

I suggest Korea to update the glyph and IDS accordingly.
HUANG Junliang
Individual
2023-08-06 22:28:15 UTC
Evidence
NEW_EVIDENCE
WS2021 v5.0
[ Resolved ]
Here is a better evidence:


文武榜目. 壬子年別試文科榜目 武科榜目 folio 4a

The left three dots are reasonably clear.
HUANG Junliang
Individual
2023-08-06 22:33:47 UTC
Attributes
ATTRIBUTES_RADICAL
WS2021 v5.0
[ Resolved ]
Change Radical to 85.0 (水), SC=12, FS=1
HUANG Junliang
Individual
2023-08-06 22:43:02 UTC
Evidence
EVIDENCE
WS2021 v5.0
[ Resolved ]
KR will change glyph to ⿰氵柝 as suggested.

And change Radical to 85.0 (水), SC=12, FS=1.
ROK
2023-10-10 11:23:40 UTC
Evidence
MISIDENTIFIED_GLYPH
WS2021 v5.0
[ Resolved ]
- KR will submit the revised glyph as explained in the previous KR response on 2023-10-10.
- If you have any issue with this glyph change, please let KR know.

KIM Kyongsok
ROK
2023-11-07 09:24:38 UTC
Unification
UNIFICATION
WS2021 v6.0
[ New ]
U+6DC5
Unifiable with 淅?
Henry CHAN
Individual
2023-12-16 08:59:52 UTC
Unification
DISUNIFICATION
WS2021 v6.0
[ New ]
KR does not agree to unify. This character used as person name.
ROK
2024-03-18 00:25:20 UTC
Evidence
NEW_EVIDENCE
WS2021 v6.0
[ New ]
新刻洪武元韻勘正切字海篇群玉
Xieyang WANG
Individual
2024-03-18 02:46:38 UTC
Evidence
NEW_EVIDENCE
WS2021 v6.0
[ New ]
遵古本正韻石齋海篇
Xieyang WANG
Individual
2024-03-18 02:48:07 UTC
Evidence
NEW_EVIDENCE
WS2021 v6.0
[ New ]
新修絫音引證群籍玉篇
Xieyang WANG
Individual
2024-03-18 02:49:36 UTC
Other
COMMENT
WS2021 v6.0
[ New ]
According to “…米也”, “洗也” and Fanqie 先的切 (心開四青入, *siek), the above three pieces of evidence support variant of 淅.

For 析/柝:
⿱雨柝 (C15603-002) ~ 䨛 (C15603)
《承政院日記》:“恭惟我殿下,膺聖人首出之運,軫耕農始敎之道,渙發溫綸,誕敷於去丑月前一日,而仰觀俯察,博古參今,耕播種耘之法,刈穫舂確之規,毫分縷柝[析],條暢枝達。”
《승정원일기·인조 16년 (1638년 崇禎(明/毅宗) 11년》:“目今民生蕩柝[析]離居之狀,有倍於周時,而況値大無之年……”

c.f. ROK Norm. Rule #92:


p.s. For U+30281 (𰊁), “龜𰊁” should be “龜坼”, |木| is an additional component.
Kushim JIANG
Individual
2024-03-18 04:37:21 UTC

Meeting Minutes

DateDescription
IRG #62
2024-03-18 (Mon)
10:40 am +0800
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
Postponed for unification to 淅 U+6DC5
IRG #61
2023-10-17 (Tue)
9:22 am -0400
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
glyph to be updated, R=85.0 (水), SC=12, ⿰氵柝

Attribute Changes

VersionDescription
6.0
For 01789, add Discussion Record "Glyph to be updated, R=85.0 (水), SC=9, FS=1, TS=12, IDS=⿰氵柝, IRG 61."
6.0
For 01789, change Radical to 85.0 (水)
6.0
For 01789, change Stroke Count to 9
6.0
For 01789, change First Stroke to 1
6.0
For 01789, change Total Stroke Count to 12
6.0
For 01789, change IDS to ⿰氵柝

Glyph Changes

Source ReferenceGlyph
KC-05249
1.0
🢂
6.0

Raw Info
groupROK
a) Source referenceKC-05249
b) PUA Code of TTFEE8A
c) KangXi Radical Code(Primary)R075.0
d) Stroke Count (Primary)7
e) First Stroke(Primary)3
g) Total stroke count11
i) IDS (Ideographic Description Sequence)⿰朱斥
j) Similar/ Variants N
k) Ref. to Evidence doc韓國學中央硏究院 武科榜目
m1) Previous IRG WSN/A
m2) Sequence No of Previous IRG WSN/A