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85.0 水
SC=9, FS=5 TS=12

TD-2B2D
IRGN2632WS2021v6.0Pending
Postponed for evidence, IRG 59.
Attributes:



Review Comments

Type
Description
Submitter
Evidence
EVIDENCE
WS2021 v3.0
[ Resolved ]
For all TCA-submitted ideographs that include only this type of evidence, which is effectively an excerpt from the CNS 11643 standard, such evidence alone is insufficient. Their presence in the CNS 11643 standard can certainly serve as supplementary evidence, but it should not be the sole evidence. Other member bodies submit evidence that either shows the ideographs in actual use or in a published dictionary.
Ken LUNDE
UTC
2022-07-01 16:51:03 UTC
Evidence
EVIDENCE
WS2021 v3.0
[ Resolved ]
It is normal for name characters to be included in CNS 11643, but TCA does not submit CNS 11643 as the sole evidence.

All ideographic evidence submitted by TCA is NOT TAKEN from the CNS 11643 standard, but is specially produced from the database of the Household Service Department. It is a proof of actual need/use. It is an official document with an official seal.


What Ken's understanding of TCA evidence is incorrect. Or are you talking about "actual use" in some other meaning that TCA does not understand?
Conifer TSENG
TCA
2022-10-17 09:48:18 UTC
Unification
UNIFICATION
WS2021 v3.0
[ Resolved ]
U+6DC4
Unify to 淄 U+6DC4?

Based on the pronunciation provided, this character should be unified to 淄 U+6DC4. However the shape typically suggests it to be ⿰氵𡿺, which is not known to be an existing character.
Henry CHAN
Individual
2022-10-18 04:57:12 UTC
Unification
NO_UNIFICATION
WS2021 v3.0
[ Resolved ]
The right component of 02053 has no variant relationship with "甾 ".
Instead, it is a common variant relationship with "𡿺". But "⿰氵𡿺" is not coded?
TCA would like to keep separately.
Conifer TSENG
TCA
2022-10-19 07:50:15 UTC
Evidence
NEW_EVIDENCE
WS2021 v3.0
[ Resolved ]
Here is the evidence of ⿰氵𭗾(三汊⿰氵𭗾)


湖廣通志(清雍正刊本)卷14 folio 27a (pp29)

Note that 直隷澧州志林 gives 三汊腦, so ⿰氵𭗾 is very likely a variant of ⿰氵𡿺.


直隷澧州志林(清乾隆刊本)卷2 folio 7a.

If we accept the new evidence, please also consider the UCV 𭗾/𡿺.

I suspect ⿰氵⿱巛㓙 should have been ⿰氵𡿺, if we can see the original handwritten form of ⿰氵⿱巛㓙, it will be much easier for us to determine the desired glyph shape.
HUANG Junliang
Individual
2022-10-20 01:49:54 UTC

Meeting Minutes

DateDescription
IRG #59
2022-10-19 (Wed)
10:15 am +0800
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
pending.
IRG #59
2022-10-20 (Thu)
9:30 am +0800
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
Pending for more evidence

Attribute Changes

VersionDescription
4.0
For 02053, change Status to Postponed
4.0
For 02053, add Discussion Record "Postponed for evidence, IRG 59."

Glyph Changes

Source ReferenceGlyph
TD-2B2D
1.0

Raw Info
groupTCA
a) Source referenceTD-2B2D
b) PUA Code of TTFE3E2
c) KangXi Radical Code85.0
e) Stroke Count9
f) First Stroke5
g) Total stroke count12
i) IDS⿰氵⿱巛㓙
j) Similar/ VariantsNo
k) Ref. to Evidence docIRGN2486_TCA_WS2021_evi_03
k1) Page No.Page6, no.1061
l) Optional info