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R=196.0 鳥, SC=5, FS=5
R2=107.0 皮, SC2=11, FS=3
IDS=, TS=16

GKJ-00348
R(2)=107.0 (皮), SC(2)=11, FS(2)=3, IRG 61.
R=196.0 (鳥), SC=5, FS=5, 2023-05.
Secondary Radical =107.0, SC(2)=11, FS(2)=3
Attributes:



Review Comments

Type
Description
Submitter
Evidence
EVIDENCE
WS2021 v3.0
[ Resolved ]
It is better to show the full page.

Evidence 2 shows this character is under 祲 with 子. It looks like fanqie. If yes, it should be the variant of 鴆 and the radical should be changed.
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2022-07-10 04:11:10 UTC
Attributes
ATTRIBUTES_RADICAL
WS2021 v4.0
[ Resolved ]
Change Radical to 196.0 (鳥), SC=5, FS=5
WANG Yifan
SAT
2023-02-14 04:40:06 UTC
Evidence
NEW_EVIDENCE
WS2021 v5.0
[ Resolved ]
《古壮字字典》 p. 384 [niuj]:
Andrew WEST
UK
2023-06-19 22:02:03 UTC
Attributes
ATTRIBUTES_RADICAL
WS2021 v5.0
[ Unresolved ]
Add the secondary radical as 107.0 (皮) for the Zhuang use based on Comment #13544, SC=11, FS=3.

The 新借 reading of 鸟/鳥 in Zhuang is niuj (-j means 上声 here). I have not collected the 老借 of 鸟/鳥, but 鸟/鳥 reads as niu5 in Cantonese, and almost all the 老借 readings of the -iu of Cantonese in Zhuang are -iu or -eu, that means we can guess the 老借 reading of 鸟/鳥 could be niux (-x means 阳上 here, and 了 reads liux, 秒 reads miux). So, 鸟/鳥 must be the phonetic element for the Zhuang use.
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2023-09-27 08:55:17 UTC
Evidence
EVIDENCE
WS2021 v5.0
[ Unresolved ]
We also need to review the full page of the submitted evidence to confirm the rationales in Evidence 1 and 3.
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2023-09-27 08:56:44 UTC
Attributes
ATTRIBUTES_RADICAL
WS2021 v5.0
[ Unresolved ]
Yes when 'niuj' 107.0 (皮), is the radical,

(Loan words are used for new ideas and things, but already a word for bird so not surprisingly, the Chinese word for bird can only rarely be found if ever in most Zhuang languages as an ancient loan, where of course the standard spelling is indeed ''niux". It should be noted the standard spelling for modern loans would be "niuj", however since the word "niuj (scar)" is not, according to various published sources, used in Wuming which the standard spelling is based on, so this is a conjecture. Not to mention that, in many places the actually pronunciation of loan words whilst reasonably predictable, differs from the standard spelling and the most common difference is of tone.)
John Knightley
Individual
2023-10-15 14:08:16 UTC
Evidence
EVIDENCE
WS2021 v6.0
[ New ]
Consider changing the source reference to the GZ one because the GZ one can be looked up directly.
Henry CHAN
Individual
2024-03-18 03:53:26 UTC
Other
OTHER
WS2021 v6.0
[ New ]
kZhuang niuj
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2024-03-19 02:25:52 UTC

Meeting Minutes

DateDescription
IRG #62
2024-03-18 (Mon)
11:17 am +0800
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
no change.
IRG #62
2024-03-19 (Tue)
10:26 am +0800
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
reference to be changed to GZ-3841305.
IRG #61
2023-10-17 (Tue)
9:14 am -0400
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
Add the secondary radical as 107.0 (皮) for the Zhuang use based on Comment #13544, SC=11, FS=3.

Attribute Changes

VersionDescription
5.0
For 02664, change Radical to 196.0 (鳥)
5.0
For 02664, change Stroke Count to 5
5.0
For 02664, change First Stroke to 5
5.0
For 02664, add Discussion Record "R=196.0 (鳥), SC=5, FS=5, 2023-05."
6.0
For 02664, change Radical (Secondary) to 107.0 (皮)
6.0
For 02664, change Stroke Count (Secondary) to 11
6.0
For 02664, change First Stroke (Secondary) to 3
6.0
For 02664, add Discussion Record "R(2)=107.0 (皮), SC(2)=11, FS(2)=3, IRG 61."

Glyph Changes

Source ReferenceGlyph
GKJ-00348
1.0

Raw Info
groupChina (GKJ - Science and Technology Characters)
a) Source referenceGKJ-00348
b) PUA Code of TTFE087
c) KangXi Radical Code(Primary)107.0
d) Stroke Count(Primary)11
e) First Stroke(Primary)3
g) Total Stroke Count16
i) IDS (Ideographic Description Sequence)⿰皮鳥
j) Similar/ Variants N/A
k) Ref. to Evidence doc字彙補 文選 十三經注疏