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IRG Working Set 2017v5.1

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Unification

SnImage/SourceComment TypeDescription
00094
00094
人 9.3
5 ㇐ (1)
GDM-00018
Trad |
Oppose Unification
Eiso CHAN
Individual
Agree with Tao Yang. #6947
00663
00663
土 32.4
7 ㇒ (3)
GDM-00020
Trad |
Oppose Unification
Eiso CHAN
Individual
No, the evidence is clear. It looks it's the variant of 洼. The current village name is 深洼 according to National Database for Geographical Names of China.
01744
01744
木 75.9
13 ㇒ (3)
GDM-00073
Trad |
Oppose Unification
Eiso CHAN
Individual
Support Tao Yang. #9096
02004
02004
水 85.9
13 ㇐ (1)
GDM-00085
UTC-02993
Trad |
Unification
Henry CHAN
Individual
GDM-00085's glyph has been updated and it now matches UTC-02993. They should be kept unified without a doubt.
03723
03723
艸 140.9
13 ㇔ (4)
GDM-00142
Trad |
Unification
Eiso CHAN
Individual
It's not a good reason to withdraw the character, but the current evidence is not better actually.
01040
01040
山 46.10
13 ㇐ (1)
KC-07423
Trad |
Disunification
Eiso CHAN
Individual
Agree with ROK. #8893
03959
03959
衣 145.10
16 ㇑ (2)
KC-07659
Trad |
Unification
TAO Yang
China
U+674F
U+9F13
U+7A37
WANG Yifan gave a accurate judgement. 杏壇(孔子講壇)、槐市(漢朝書市)、米廪(魯國之學)、稷山(齊國之學) are the names of ancient seats of learning of China, 鼓篋、横經 are ceremonys of Confucianism,so KC-07659 is truely a synonymous variant of 稷.
03909
03909
虫 142.17
23 ㇐ (1)
KC-08131
Trad |
Unification
TAO Yang
China
U+9F03
Can this pair of components 鼃 U+9F03 and ⿱龶黽 be added to RK normalization rule?Sometimes some parts are omitted because of lack of space.
01918
01918
水 85.6
9 ㇒ (3)
T13-325F
Trad | 𠂒
Unification
Eiso CHAN
Individual
U+6D69
No, the new evidence shows it's suitable to unify with 浩 (U+6D69).
01957
01957
水 85.7
10 ㇔ (4)
T13-3329
Trad |
Unification
Henry CHAN
Individual
U+6DF3
U+4EAB
Unify to 淳 (U+6DF3), suggest add new UCV ⿳亠丷子 = 享.

⿳亠丷子 is a common variant form of 享, especially popular in 《龍龕手鑑》 and 《直音篇》.

𥟆 (U+257C6), which is variant form of 稕 (U+7A15), from 《Hanyu Dazidian》 quoting 《龍龕手鑑》, is encoded in Extension B.

If this character is coded, there are many other variants which can be coded. Here are some examples quoted from the MOE dictionary:











etc.
02335
02335
火 86.9
13 ㇑ (2)
T13-3676
Trad | &S7-06;&P6-01;
Unification
Henry CHAN
Individual
U+24261
Unify to 𤉡 (U+24261).

Create new UCV rule top part of 兕 ~ 𠒅
03181
03181
禾 115.13
18 ㇔ (4)
T13-3A45
Trad |
Unification
Eiso CHAN
Individual
It's a good sample for us to discuss how to handle the Ideographs of Empress Wu (則天文字, use IEW as below).

IEW was established during Wu Zhou period, and only include the "new" variants of 18 ideographs, but these 18 IEW derived more different glyphs in the history and the relationships are clear. Some glyphs look not unifiable for other characters, but we need to discuss how to handle them.
03940
03940
衣 145.6
12 ㇒ (3)
T13-3B76
Trad |
Disunification
TAO Yang
China
No response for this one.
01722
01722
木 75.8
12 ㇐ (1)
UTC-03115
Trad |
Unification
Eiso CHAN
Individual
Support to keep unification.
01520
01520
攴 66.7
11 ㇐ (1)
UK-10005
Simp |
Unification
Eiso CHAN
Individual
This character should be unified to 01521.
00084
00084
二 7.12
14 ㇒ (3)
UK-10028
Trad | 𠂹
Disunification
Eiso CHAN
Individual
The unification will be bad for the Small Seal encoding.
03881
03881
虫 142.9
15 ㇔ (4)
UK-10414
Trad |
Unification
TAO Yang
China
So how does this character come from, created or misquoted by the author.
03780
03780
艸 140.13
17 ㇑ (2)
V-F04EB
Trad | 𫇰
Unification
Eiso CHAN
Individual
Need discussion at the meeting.
00202
00202
八 12.7
9 ㇔ (4)
V-F0AAF
Trad |
Disunification
Eiso CHAN
Individual
Non-cognates and not unify. This issue has been solved at Beijing.
00325
00325
卩 26.2
4 ㇐ (1)
V-F1D84
Trad |
Unification
HKSAR
Hong Kong
U+2B9F9
V-F1D84 should be unifiable with 𫧹 (U+2B9F9) according to S.1.5 f) of Annex S, ISO/IEC 10646:2017:

Reference: Code chart:
03839
03839
虍 141.15
21 ㇐ (1)
T13-3B6F
Trad |
Ucv
TAO Yang
China
The left parts could be unifiable, while the right parts are not existing in UCV.
03620
03620
車 159.13
20 ㇒ (3)
UTC-03154
Trad | 輿
Ucv
Eiso CHAN
Individual
They are cognates really, but not unifiable cognates for IRG work, unless we add the new UCV rule.


Attributes

SnImage/SourceComment TypeDescription
00049
00049
乙 5.5
6 ㇠ (5)
GDM-00005
Trad |
FS
HKSAR
Hong Kong
Given the radical is changed from 丿(R4, Slash) to 乙(R5, Second), the FS should be changed to 丿(3) accordingly.
Reference: #65, IRGN954AR:
02279
02279
火 86.4
8 ㇒ (3)
GXM-00234
Simp |
Trad/Simp flag
Eiso CHAN
Individual
It's not the simplified form of 燿 under the rules in 简化字总表.
02421
02421
火 86.15
19 ㇒ (3)
GZ-0501301
Trad |
Radical
Eiso CHAN
Individual
No change and back to M set.
01435
01435
手 64.8
11 ㇑ (2)
GZ-2002101
Trad |
Radical
Eiso CHAN
Individual
No change and back to M set.
02038
02038
水 85.9
12 ㇠ (5)
GZ-3492301
Trad | 𣲙
Radical
Eiso CHAN
Individual
Support Ken, unless John K. disagrees. #7514
Residual Stroke Count
Eiso CHAN
Individual
Support Ken, unless John K. disagrees. #7515
02453
02453
爪 87.9
13 ㇠ (5)
GZA-613460
Simp |
Radical
Eiso CHAN
Individual
No change and back to M set.
01733
01733
木 75.9
13 ㇐ (1)
GZA-615331
Simp |
IDS
Eiso CHAN
Individual
No need to change IDS, but it's not important.
00351
00351
厶 28.16
18 ㇒ (3)
KC-07954
Trad |
FS
HKSAR
Hong Kong
FS = 乙(5)
00254
00254
刀 18.8
10 ㇑ (2)
USAT04262
Trad | 𠧢
IDS
HKSAR
Hong Kong
Given the glyph design is changed, the IDS should be changed from ⿰𠧢刀 to ⿰⿱⺊⿸𠁣二刀 accordingly.
00027
00027
士 33.14
17 ㇐ (1)
USAT05688
Trad |
FS
HKSAR
Hong Kong
FS = 丶(4)
04949
04949
麥 199.0
12 N/A
USAT09153
Trad | 𠈌
FS
Eiso CHAN
Individual
I request IRG confirming if it's suitable to use 0 as FS value, which is not allowed in IRG PnP.
02667
02667
玉 96.14
18 ㇒ (3)
T13-384D
Trad | &P7-05;
IDS
Eiso CHAN
Individual
IDS should be ⿰王⿱&P7-05;⿹戈夕
04291
04291
辵 162.7
11 ㇐ (1)
T13-3C3C
Trad |
Residual Stroke Count
Eiso CHAN
Individual
I can't understand why we need to change the SC. Who can help me?
00005
00005
至 133.1
7 ㇠ (5)
UK-10142
Simp | 𠫔
Trad/Simp flag
Eiso CHAN
Individual
It looks a typo for TS in Andrew's comment. T/S=0.
03782
03782
艸 140.13
17 ㇑ (2)
UK-10161
Trad |
Radical
Eiso CHAN
Individual
Yifan's comment is acceptable.
00029
00029
丨 2.2
3 ㇠ (5)
UK-10279
Trad |
IDS
HKSAR
Hong Kong
As the IDS ⿺𠃊㇎ is not accepted, an alternative IDS is suggested for consideration: ⿱⿰丨㇎一.
00239
00239
凵 17.7
9 ㇒ (3)
UK-10943
Trad |
IDS
HKSAR
Hong Kong
Given 丷 is not surrounding 干 from below, it is suggested that the IDS should be changed from ⿱人⿶凵⿶丷干 to ⿱人⿶凵⿱干丷.
00270
00270
刀 18.18
20 ㇒ (3)
V-F0061
Trad |
FS
HKSAR
Hong Kong
FS = 丶(4)
Reference: #63, IRGN954AR:
00318
00318
十 24.9
11 ㇑ (2)
V-F006E
Trad | 𭁈𠀆
Radical
Eiso CHAN
Individual
No change and back to M set.
00847
00847
夕 36.12
16 ㇔ (4)
V-F011C
Trad |
Residual Stroke Count
HKSAR
Hong Kong
SC = 13
01416
01416
手 64.8
11 ㇑ (2)
V-F01F5
Simp |
Trad/Simp flag
Eiso CHAN
Individual
If T/S could be changed to 1, we need to add a new rule for 風/⿻几二 pair out of 简化字总表.
01559
01559
方 70.8
12 ㇑ (2)
V-F0253
Simp |
Trad/Simp flag
Eiso CHAN
Individual
If T/S could be changed to 1, we need to add a new rule for 風/⿻几二 pair out of 简化字总表.
03492
03492
网 122.3
8 ㇐ (1)
V-F047C
Simp | 𪜀
Trad/Simp flag
Eiso CHAN
Individual
If T/S could be changed to 1, we need to add a new rule for 羅/⿱罒𪜀 pair out of 简化字总表.
04716
04716
風 182.0
4 N/A
V-F0629
Trad |
FS
Eiso CHAN
Individual
I request IRG confirming if it's suitable to use 0 as FS value, which is not allowed in IRG PnP. The current T/S Flag value is acceptable for me, but it's different for 01416, 01559, 03655 and so on for the same component.
00355
00355
丶 3.3
4 ㇒ (3)
V-F083D
Simp | 丿
Trad/Simp flag
Eiso CHAN
Individual
T/S should be 0, which doesn't match T/S rules.
01600
01600
日 72.9
13 ㇐ (1)
V-F08E1
Trad |
Radical
Eiso CHAN
Individual
No change and back to M set.
03655
03655
艸 140.4
8 ㇒ (3)
V-F15AE
Simp |
Trad/Simp flag
Eiso CHAN
Individual
If T/S could be changed to 1, we need to add a new rule for 風/⿻几二 pair out of 简化字总表.
00825
00825
土 32.16
19 ㇒ (3)
V-F1788
Simp |
Trad/Simp flag
Eiso CHAN
Individual
If T/S could be changed to 1, we need to add a new rule for 龍/竜 pair out of 简化字总表.
01257
01257
彳 60.18
22 ㇒ (3)
V-F1AAA
Trad |
Radical
Eiso CHAN
Individual
No change and back to M set.
03821
03821
艸 140.19
23 ㇒ (3)
V-F1B37
Trad |
Radical
Eiso CHAN
Individual
This is an editorial error. R=63, TS=24.
02445
02445
爪 87.8
12 ㇑ (2)
V-F1BDA
Trad |
Radical
Eiso CHAN
Individual
The inserted component is làm mentioned in IRGN2434. We need to confirm the radical of the disunified character làm in future.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/162T5y6gcrzmECaaOV9nqSt0V0PDp0NEf/view?usp=sharing

http://www.unicode.org/L2/L2020/20210-irgn2434-disunify-722b.pdf
01647
01647
曰 73.10
14 ㇑ (2)
V-F1D57
Trad |
Radical
Eiso CHAN
Individual
No change and back to M set.
00040
00040
丨 2.11
12 ㇔ (4)
V-F1DB7
Trad | &S2-01;
FS
Henry CHAN
Individual
FS should be 丿 as radical is 丨
FS
Eiso CHAN
Individual
FS should not be changed. 3 is correct.


Evidence

SnImage/SourceComment TypeDescription
04319
04319
辵 162.11
15 ㇐ (1)
GXM-00012
Trad |
Evidence
Eiso CHAN
Individual
Maybe TCA can provide anything useful.
02612
02612
玉 96.8
12 ㇒ (3)
GXM-00048
Simp | 𫂱
Evidence
Eiso CHAN
Individual
New evidence should be accepted.
00107
00107
人 9.5
7 ㇒ (3)
GXM-00366
Trad |
Evidence
Eiso CHAN
Individual
Support Tao Yang. #9103
03830
03830
艸 140.24
28 ㇒ (3)
GZ-0702301
Trad |
Evidence
Eiso CHAN
Individual
Agree with JK, back to M set.
01336
01336
心 61.10
13 ㇑ (2)
KC-07234
Trad |
Evidence
Eiso CHAN
Individual
IRG has accepted the new evidence at IRG #53.
02705
02705
生 100.7
12 ㇑ (2)
USAT05677
Trad |
Unclear evidence response
WANG Yifan
SAT
Please do not postpone this. "We will provide additional images at IRG" in the comment #3242 means that we have an evidence that is not allowed to redistribute, thus only can be shown in meeting. And it has never realized due to the COVID incident.
02496
02496
牛 93.4
8 ㇑ (2)
T13-3766
Trad |
Evidence
Henry CHAN
Individual
The new evidence seems to be also in Li script instead of Kai script.
00736
00736
土 32.9
12 ㇐ (1)
UTC-03032
Trad | 𢆓
Unclear evidence
Eiso CHAN
Individual
No, the evidence is clear.
01521
01521
攴 66.7
11 ㇐ (1)
UK-10006
Simp |
New evidence
Eiso CHAN
Individual
Vietnam has provided the new evidence for the Tay Nom use, and the phonetic element is the real 来 in the new evidence, so this character should be kept. #5666
04379
04379
邑 163.12
15 ㇑ (2)
UK-10803
Trad |
Unclear evidence
Eiso CHAN
Individual
I don't think so.
03989
03989
角 148.3
10 ㇑ (2)
UK-10850
Trad |
Unclear evidence
Eiso CHAN
Individual
No, the evidence is clear.
04498
04498
金' 167'.8
13 ㇔ (4)
UK-10911
Simp |
Unclear evidence
Eiso CHAN
Individual
No, the evidence is clear.
01626
01626
日 72.12
16 ㇐ (1)
V-F1D45
Trad |
Unclear evidence
Eiso CHAN
Individual
This type of issues for evidence have been clarified by me at the IRG meeting.
01488
01488
手 64.13
16 ㇠ (5)
V-F1D47
Trad |
Evidence
Eiso CHAN
Individual
This type of issues for evidence have been clarified by me at the IRG meeting.


Glyph Design & Normalization

SnImage/SourceComment TypeDescription
00388
00388
口 30.4
7 ㇠ (5)
GZA-428912
Simp |
Glyph design
HKSAR
Hong Kong
Taking the convention of China into account, it is suggested that the second stroke of the left component should be changed from a right-falling slash to a dot.
02795
02795
疒 104.13
18 ㇐ (1)
T13-3874
Trad |
Normalization
Eiso CHAN
Individual
It looks it's better to modify the glyph for the inserted component as the real 萬 to follow TCA conventions.
03042
03042
石 112.14
19 ㇐ (1)
T13-395B
Trad |
Glyph design
Eiso CHAN
Individual
The glyph issue should be re-discussed at the next meeting.


Editorial

SnImage/SourceComment TypeDescription
04087
04087
貝 154.5
12 ㇔ (4)
KC-07673
Trad |
Editorial issue
Eiso CHAN
Individual
Why D set?
01990
01990
水 85.8
11 ㇠ (5)
T13-3426
Trad |
Editorial issue
Henry CHAN
Individual
This character should be unified to 𰜮 (U+3072E)(WS2015-02067) instead of WS2017-01090.
01090
山 46.7
10 ㇒ (3)
UTC-03045
Trad |
IRGN2435WS2017v5.1 Unified & Withdrawn
Unified to U+3072E (WS2015-02067), 2020-06.
03042
03042
石 112.14
19 ㇐ (1)
T13-395B
Trad |
Editorial issue
Henry CHAN
Individual
The IDS should be changed back to ⿱⿲木弓木⿵大石.
01090
01090
山 46.7
10 ㇒ (3)
UTC-03045
Trad |
Editorial issue
Henry CHAN
Individual
This character should not be unified to 𰜮 (U+3072E)(WS2015-02067). The character to be unified to 𰜮 (U+3072E)(WS2015-02067) is 01990.
01990
水 85.8
11 ㇠ (5)
T13-3426
Trad |
IRGN2435WS2017v5.1 Pending
postponed unified to U+6FDF, font updated, irg51.
03962
03962
衣 145.11
17 ㇒ (3)
UK-10303
Trad |
Editorial issue
Eiso CHAN
Individual
Why D set?


Other

SnImage/SourceComment TypeDescription
01744
01744
木 75.9
13 ㇒ (3)
GDM-00073
Trad |
Comment
Henry CHAN
Individual
Named as "榔糌村" now.
00639
00639
口 30.21
24 ㇐ (1)
UK-10242
Trad | 𠳄
Other
HKSAR
Hong Kong
According to the email dated 19 July 2018 from Mr. Chen Zhuang to all experts, the SC of 吕 will be unified to 7 as “IRG counting”. Will the IRG consider including this as an entry in IRGN2221 to facilitate future review?

On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 8:29 AM chen zhuang <chenzh-zhuang@163.com> wrote:
Yes, I will fix them in next version. I think this caused by their “alternative SC and TS” when the pdf file was generated. I will try to unify all “alternative SC and TS” to “IRG counting”. For instant, 03914 has 6,7 (SC) and 12,13 (TS), I will unify these data to 7 and 13 because 吕 is counted 7 for unification with 呂.