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口 30.16
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V-F17A4
Radical kept as 30 (口), IRG 53.
R=30 (口), IRG 52.
Attributes:



Review Comments

Type
Description
Submitter
Attributes
ATTRIBUTES_RADICAL
WS2017 v1.1
The Vietnamese word of V-F17A4 is đa t, and the English meaning is “expensive selling” according to VNPF. The evidence shows the Vietnamese meaning is “gia qua cao”, which the three words are all Sino-Vietnamese words(漢越詞 漢越詞 ) and the corresponding Hanzi/Nho character are 價過高 價過高 . It means the semantic element is 售, and the phontic elemant is 坦(đa t,<-n). So the radical should be changed to “30.0 口” from “32.0 土”.
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2018-05-20 12:13:11
#1439
Attributes
ATTRIBUTES_RADICAL
WS2017 v2
口 30.0
The semantic is 售, not 坦.
WANG Yifan
SAT
2018-09-02 09:18:45
#2360
Attributes
ATTRIBUTES_RADICAL
WS2017 v2
Agree about semantic, but most user familiar with Han script would classify this under the first radical on the right, 32. 30 is completely counterintuitive. We are fine with using 30 to satisfy IRG requirements, but will continue to support 32 for real world applications
Lee COLLINS
Vietnam
2018-09-03 18:58:33
#2488
Attributes
ATTRIBUTES_RADICAL
WS2017 v2
The Vietnamese word of V-F17A4 is đa t, and the English meaning is “expensive selling” according to VNPF. The evidence shows the Vietnamese meaning is “gia qua cao”, which the three words are all Sino-Vietnamese words(漢越詞 漢越詞 ) and the corresponding Hanzi/Chữ Nho are 價過高 價過高 . It means the semantic element is 售, and the phontic elemant is 坦(đa t,<-n). So the radical should be changed to “30.0 口” from “32.0 土”.
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2018-10-22 05:01:34
#3503
Attributes
ATTRIBUTES_RADICAL
WS2017 v3
The Vietnamese word of V-F17A4 is đắt, and the English meaning is “expensive selling” according to VNPF. The evidence shows the Vietnamese meaning is “giá quá cao”, which the three words are all Sino-Vietnamese words(漢越詞) and the corresponding Hanzi/Chữ Nho are 價過高. It means the semantic element is 售, and the phontic elemant is 坦(đất,<-n). So the radical should be changed to “30.0 口” from “32.0 土”.
I understand Lee's comment in v2, but it's best to confirm the radical according to the rationale in the IRG work.
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2019-02-18 10:33:47
#4252
Attributes
ATTRIBUTES_RADICAL
WS2017 v4
There is no IRG requirement to use the technically correct radical. Given that we're now dealing with nearly 100K CJK Unified Ideographs, assigning the most intuitive radical is the prudent thing to do. In other words, change Radical back to 32 土.
Ken LUNDE
UTC
2019-08-03 23:28:42
#5856

Discussion Record

DateDescription
IRG #52
2019-05-16 (Thu)
2:22 pm +0800
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
R=30 (口)
IRG #53
2019-10-22 (Tue)
4:04 pm +0800
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
Radical kept as 30 (口)

Attribute Changes

VersionDescription
4.0
For 00824, change Radical to 30 (口)
4.0
For 00824, change First Stroke to 1
Note: change record for version 3.0 and before is not available yet.

Glyph Changes

Source ReferenceGlyph
V-F17A4
2.0
Note: glyph data for version 1.1 is not available.

Raw Info
0 - Seq. No.00824
1 - Discussion RecordRadical kept as 30 (口), IRG 53. R=30 (口), IRG 52.
2 - Kangxi Radical30
3 - Stroke Count16
4 - First Stroke1
5 - T/S (0/1) Flag0
6 - IDS⿰坦售
7 - Total Strokes19
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22 - i2) Row No. in the page (optional)
23 - i3) Position No. in the row (optional)
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25 - K Revised information (2018.03.16)
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31 - UK Title and Year
32 - UK Page No.
33 - UK PNG Image
34 - UK Font code point
35 - UK Mapping to traditional or simplified character
36 - UK SJT-11239-2001
37 - UK Notes
38 - SAT Source
39 - SAT Image
40 - SAT Similar Ideographs
41 - SAT References to evidence documents
42 - SAT optional information
43 - T Source
44 - T Image
45 - T Similar/ Varianonets
46 - T References to evidence documents A
47 - T References to evidence documents B
48 - T File name of evidence image
49 - T Real Glyph
50 - UTC Source
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52 - UTC Similar Ideographs
53 - UTC References to evidence documents
54 - UTC SJ/T 11239-2001
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56 - V ImageV-F17A4.bmp
57 - V Related
58 - V Reading(Reading: đắt)
59 - V EvidenceTĐCNDG
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61 - V Code PointF17A4
62 - V Note
63 - WS2015 SN
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