UK-30639 |
Date | Description |
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IRG #64 2025-03-18 (Tue) 10:27 am +0800 Recorded by CHEN Zhuang | back to m set. |
IRG #64 2025-03-19 (Wed) 9:46 am +0800 Recorded by CHEN Zhuang | Pending for more evidence. |
IRG #63 2024-10-23 (Wed) 10:57 am +0900 Recorded by CHEN Zhuang | Pending for evidence discussion. |
Version | Description |
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2.0 | For 03096, change Status to Postponed |
2.0 | For 03096, add Discussion Record "Postponed for discussion of evidence, IRG 63." |
Source Reference | Glyph |
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UK-30639 |
Character Reference | UK-30639 |
Codepoint | E398 |
Radical | 125 |
Stroke Count | 3 |
First Stroke | 1 |
Total Stroke | 9 |
IDS | ⿰大老 |
Variants | N/A |
Pronunciation | laux* (Zhuang) |
Normalization Ref. | N/A |
Total No. of Evidences | 2 |
Notes | N/A |
2nd Radical | 37 |
2nd Stroke Count | 6 |
2nd First Stroke | 1 |
Review Comments
The decision about using captions as evidences was clearly stated in the meeting so this kind of situation should not have happened.
The evidence shows examples of text usage, and it is not relevant that the text occurs as part of a video, as there is no IRG rule prohibiting the use of video as evidence. There is also no IRG rule prohibiting the use of photographs of signs as evidence, e.g. GDM-00507 and GDM-00508, and if someone took a video of the places shown in the photos for these two characters, a still image from the video would be acceptable evidence, certainly not a caption, do you not agree?
https://hc.jsecs.org/irg/ws2024/app/?find=UK-30621
evidence 1: https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV16o4y1m7E7
evidence 2: https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1AL411A7W5
At the last meeting, we have already suggested that if the experts from the UK believe that this character is not a newly self-created character and has the value for encoding, they can simply publish a paper that includes this character and vouch for these characters with their own reputation. Let me be more straightforward. It should not be a difficult task for the experts from the UK to publish a paper. If the experts from the UK are not willing to risk their own reputation, they should not insist on using evidence that obviously does not meet the requirements to request the encoding of this character in the IRG.
英国(UK)至今仍未能提供这个字的历史文献证据或其他高质量来源,相反,英国一直在提供由一两个使用者在不稳定的载体上使用该字的证据,这些证据并不足以支持对该字进行编码。我们已经说得很清楚,英国提供的这种类型的证据不足以支持编码该字,但英国的专家似乎无法理解我们表达的意思,仍在坚持提供相同类型、效力不足的证据,坚持说一些明显与事实不符的话。这种行为对审核工作没有任何益处,也无法让这些字从 D-set 返回 M-set。
在上次会议上,我们已经建议:如果英国专家认为这个字并非个人新造,且有编码的价值,完全可以自己发表一篇包含此字的论文,以自己的声誉给这些字作担保。让我把话说的再直接一点:发表一篇论文对英国专家来说应该不是什么难事,如果英国专家不愿意拿自己的声誉冒险,就不应该坚持在 IRG 以明显不符合要求的证据来要求对该字进行编码。