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T13-3365
IRGN2480WS2017v6.1 Unified & Withdrawn
Withdrawn, further study, possilbly re submitted in future., IRG 56.
new evidence accepted, font to be updated without hook of the last stroke., IRG 53.
postponed for further evidence, U+6DC5, irg51.
Similar To: 淅 (U+6DC5)
U+6DC5U+6DC5
Attributes:



Review Comments

Type
Description
Submitter
Unification
UNIFICATION
WS2017 v1.1
U+6DC5
IVD to 淅 (U+6DC5).
Henry CHAN
Individual
2018-05-14 00:00:00
#419
Unification
UNIFICATION
WS2017 v2
U+6DC5
IVD to 淅 (U+6DC5).
Henry CHAN
Individual
2018-08-22 10:09:03
#2035
Evidence
UNCLEAR_EVIDENCE
WS2017 v2
Evidence not clear. Better evidence required.
Andrew WEST
UK
2018-09-22
#2886
Other
COMMENT
WS2017 v2
Glyph in a photomechanical facsimile of the original fragment of 玉篇, vol. 19.
WANG Yifan
SAT
2018-10-31 05:11:07
#3538
Evidence
EVIDENCE
WS2017 v3
Please see IRGN2345_TCA_Request to revise IRG PnP 2.2.1.d.2.e.
Conifer TSENG
TCA
2019-05-08 10:57:27
#5308
Attributes
ATTRIBUTES_IDS
WS2017 v5
Change IDS to ⿲氵𬺱⿸𠂆亍.
Ken LUNDE
UTC
2020-01-10 18:10:31
#7501
Attributes
ATTRIBUTES_IDS
WS2017 v5
After modification to the glyph, should the IDS be changed from ⿲氵才⿸𠂆亍 to ⿲氵才⿸𠂆⿱一丅?
HKSAR
Hong Kong
2020-03-09 02:16:19
#7731
Attributes
ATTRIBUTES_IDS
WS2017 v5
Agree IDS change to ⿲氵𬺱⿸𠂆亍.
Conifer TSENG
TCA
2020-04-17 06:46:38
#8483
Unification
UNIFICATION
WS2017 v5.2
[ Unresolved ]
U+6DC5
The new glyph looks more similar to 淅 (U+6DC5). If yes, it’s better to unify.
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2021-03-07 12:09:59
#9901
Other
COMMENT
WS2017 v5.2
[ Unresolved ]
This character also looks similar to 浙, but we know this character is intended to be a 淅 (木) because the 浙 is a different entry in Yupian.
Henry CHAN
Individual
2021-03-15 03:17:06
#9972
Other
COMMENT
WS2017 v5.2
[ Unresolved ]
There are also similar variant case for stone carving:

Henry CHAN
Individual
2021-03-15 03:54:02
#9974
Unification
UNIFICATION
WS2017 v5.2
[ Unresolved ]
U+23D81
We prefer to unify with 𣶁 (U+23D81) (proper graph).
Because [] is a common use (俗字) for [𣶁], and WS2017-01963 is simmilar with [].
Conifer TSENG
TCA
2021-03-15 06:10:21
#9978
Unification
UNIFICATION
WS2017 v5.2
[ Unresolved ]


from Macau, 2021-03-15.
CHEN Zhuang
Chief Editor
2021-03-15 07:08:05
#9979
Other
COMMENT
WS2017 v5.2
[ Unresolved ]
For the discussion about the identity of the middle component, here is the heading glyph of the entry and the same characters in the description text in the same entry. This is taken from 古逸叢書, the source material of the original evidence by TCA. The existence of the hook in the middle component is varied. So I suggest not to determine something critical by the existence of the hook. Also I note about the hook in the right component (lower-right part).
Toshiya SUZUKI
Japan
2021-03-15 09:57:09
#9980
Other
COMMENT
WS2017 v5.2
[ Unresolved ]
And, the same comparison for the original text (東方文化叢書), the source of the 2nd evidence by Wang Yifan, is like this (the original photo was provided by Mr. Oi Tsukasa). Also the existence of the hook is varied.
Toshiya SUZUKI
Japan
2021-03-15 09:59:43
#9981
Other
OTHER
WS2017 v5.2
[ Unresolved ]
And, checking the corresponding entry in 大廣益會玉篇(宋本), which is the descendant of 原本玉篇, the corresponding printing form would be 淅. The 反切 notation in 原本玉篇 is 枽激反, it corresponds to 宋本玉篇's 桑激切. 浙 in 宋本玉篇 has different 反切 notation 之列切 (unfortunately, the entry for 浙 in 原本玉篇 was lost and we cannot discuss the glyph shape, sigh).
Toshiya SUZUKI
Japan
2021-03-15 10:04:54
#9982
Other
COMMENT
WS2017 v5.2
[ Unresolved ]
According to 康煕字典 description, 𣶁 is 俗字 of 淅 (taken from 正字通 - yet I've not dug the source in 正字通), so 𣶁 would be another candidate of the unification.
Toshiya SUZUKI
Japan
2021-03-15 10:10:01
#9983
Unification
UCV
WS2017 v5.2
[ Unresolved ]
William T. Nelson
UTC
2021-03-16 00:45:07
#9989

Discussion Record

DateDescription
IRG #51
2018-10-24 (Wed)
4:04 pm +0700
Recorded by Henry CHAN
POSTPONE
Postponed for more evidence.
IRG #53
2019-10-24 (Thu)
11:30 am +0800
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
new evidence accepted, font to be updated without hook of the last stroke.
IRG #56
2021-03-15 (Mon)
11:16 am +0800
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
postponed to 2021-03-16, unification to 淅 (U+6DC5).
IRG #56
2021-03-16 (Tue)
8:50 am +0800
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
Withdrawn, further study, possilbly re submitted in future.

Attribute Changes

VersionDescription
5.0
For 01963, change Status to OK
6.0
For 01963, change Status to Withdrawn
6.0
Discussion Record #1263 marked as superseded
Note: change record for version 3.0 and before is not available yet.

Glyph Changes

Source ReferenceGlyph
T13-3365
2.0
🢂
5.0
Note: glyph data for version 1.1 is not available.

Raw Info
0 - Seq. No.01963
1 - Discussion Record(superseded) new evidence accepted, font to be updated without hook of the last stroke., IRG 53. postponed for further evidence, U+6DC5, irg51.
2 - Kangxi Radical85
3 - Stroke Count8
4 - First Stroke1
5 - T/S (0/1) Flag0
6 - IDS⿲氵才⿸𠂆亍
7 - Total Strokes11
8 - G Source
9 - G Image
10 - G Similar Ideographs
11 - G Ref. to Evidence doc
12 - G Page No. in the document (optional)
13 - G Row No. in the Page (optional)
14 - G Position in the Row (optional)
15 - G file name of evidence image
16 - G Optional Information
17 - K Source
18 - K Image
19 - K Similar/ Variants
20 - K Ref. to Evidence document
21 - i1) Page No. in the evidence document (optional)
22 - i2) Row No. in the page (optional)
23 - i3) Position No. in the row (optional)
24 - K file name of evidence image
25 - K Revised information (2018.03.16)
26 - K Real Glyph
27 - UK Source
28 - UK Image
29 - UK Similar/ Variants
30 - UK Ref. to Evidence doc
31 - UK Title and Year
32 - UK Page No.
33 - UK PNG Image
34 - UK Font code point
35 - UK Mapping to traditional or simplified character
36 - UK SJT-11239-2001
37 - UK Notes
38 - SAT Source
39 - SAT Image
40 - SAT Similar Ideographs
41 - SAT References to evidence documents
42 - SAT optional information
43 - T SourceT13-3365
44 - T ImageT13-3365.bmp
45 - T Similar/ Varianonets
46 - T References to evidence documents A玉篇零卷
47 - T References to evidence documents B
48 - T File name of evidence imageT13-3365.jpg
49 - T Real Glyph
50 - UTC Source
51 - UTC Image
52 - UTC Similar Ideographs
53 - UTC References to evidence documents
54 - UTC SJ/T 11239-2001
55 - V Source
56 - V Image
57 - V Related
58 - V Reading
59 - V Evidence
60 - V Evidence File
61 - V Code Point
62 - V Note
63 - WS2015 SN
64 -