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GZ-1742502
Evidence accepted, IRG 60.
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Review Comments

Type
Description
Submitter
Evidence
NEW_EVIDENCE
WS2021 v4.0
[ Resolved ]

▲ 《改併五音類聚四聲篇海》, 明萬曆己丑本, 卷二
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2023-02-04 14:40:54 UTC
Data for Unihan
UNIHAN_DATA
WS2021 v4.0
kFanqie 乙芥 胡葛
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2023-02-04 14:42:16 UTC
Modified
Evidence
EVIDENCE
WS2021 v4.0
[ Resolved ]
Noted, thank you.
John Knightley
China
2023-03-16 00:43:27 UTC
Evidence
NEW_EVIDENCE
WS2021 v5.0
[ Unresolved ]

▲ 梁冠廷, 熊道儿: 《粤剧小曲集》, 广州: 广东粤剧院艺术室, 1982, p. 192
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2023-09-04 04:25:03 UTC
Data for Unihan
TRAD_VARIANT
WS2021 v5.0
U+2103D


Related to 𡀽?
L F CHENG
Individual
2023-09-05 00:54:50 UTC
Evidence
EVIDENCE
WS2021 v5.0
[ Unresolved ]
Evidence accepted, thank you.
John Knightley
China
2023-09-22 08:06:14 UTC
Data for Unihan
SEMANTIC_VARIANT
WS2021 v5.0
Reply to Comment #14046.

香云&⿰口盖; is also called as 香云盖菩萨. We can treat this character as the variant of U+2103D 𡀽, but they are not the T/S variants. 蓋 and 盖 are not the T/S pair for the components.
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2023-10-16 08:15:52 UTC
Data for Unihan
SIMP_VARIANT
WS2021 v5.0
Eiso (#14608) is absolutely correct that 蓋 and 盖 are a T/S pair of characters, but are not a T/S pair for components. 蓋/盖 are defined in Table 1 of the General Tables of Simplified Characters (简化字总表), for T/S pairs which are explicitly not applicable to components "不作简化偏旁用的简化字".

However, the kSimplifiedVariant and kTraditionalVariant fields defined in Unihan_Variants.txt do not correspond to the officially-defined set of simplified/traditional characters, but include all sorts of non-standard and de facto simplifications, as well as treating old style and new style orthographic forms (新旧字形) as if they were traditional/simplified pairs (e.g. 呂/吕 are defined as a T/S pair in Unihan, even though they are not a 繁體字/简体字 pair but a 舊字形/新字形 pair).

It is no surprise that Unihan treats 蓋 and 盖 as T/S components for the character pairs 㯼/𣙥, 䡷/𰺡, 壒/𭏦, 礚/𥕤, 鑉/𫠁:

U+3BFC kSimplifiedVariant U+23665
U+23665 kTraditionalVariant U+3BFC

U+4877 kSimplifiedVariant U+30EA1
U+30EA1 kTraditionalVariant U+4877

U+58D2 kSimplifiedVariant U+2D3E6
U+2D3E6 kTraditionalVariant U+58D2

U+791A kSimplifiedVariant U+25564
U+25564 kTraditionalVariant U+791A

U+9449 kSimplifiedVariant U+2B801
U+2B801 kTraditionalVariant U+9449

Therefore, based on the current loose definitions of kSimplifiedVariant and kTraditionalVariant in Unihan, it is reasonable to add GZ-1742502 as a simplified variant of U+2103D 𡀽 (also U+6FED 濭 and U+31A1A 𱨚).

However, I think that the current Unihan definitions of simplified and traditional variants is very unsatisfactory, and needs to be thoroughly revised. My opinion would be to remove all old/new orthographic forms (such as 呂/吕), and define new keys for them (e.g. kOldForm and kNewForm). I would also remove kSimplifiedVariant from all characters which are not explicitly or implicitly defined as simplified characters in the latest official table of simplifications, and replace them with some other key.
Andrew WEST
UK
2023-10-16 10:57:43 UTC

Meeting Minutes

DateDescription
IRG #60
2023-03-21 (Tue)
10:15 am +0800
Recorded by Henry CHAN
Evidence accepted (automatically processed by ORT manager)

Attribute Changes

VersionDescription
5.0
For 00590, add Discussion Record "Evidence accepted, IRG 60."

Glyph Changes

Source ReferenceGlyph
GZ-1742502
1.0
🢂
2.0

Raw Info
groupChina (GZ - 《古壮字字典》)
a) Source referenceGZ-1742502
b) PUA Code of TTFU+F05D
c) KangXi Radical Code(Primary)30
d) Stroke Count(Primary)11
e) First Stroke(Primary)4
g) Total Stroke Sount14
i) IDS (Ideographic Description Sequence)⿰口盖
k) Ref. to Evidence doc《古壮字字典》 page 174 col 2 entry 5
l) Optional infogaiq