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112.0 石
SC=12, FS=3, TS=17

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(v1.0)

VN-F03D1
IDS=⿰石棃, V glyph updated, 2025-06.
Attributes:



Review Comments

Type
Description
Submitter
Editorial
EDITORIAL_ISSUE
WS2024 v1.0
[ Resolved ]

▲ L.m. Trần Văn Kiệm. Giúp đọc Nôm và Hán Việt. Đà Nẵng, 2004, p. 535

The above page shows several characters related to the top component 䄪, all of them should be unified to 𥝢 as the top component, such as...
U+68C3 棃 vs ⿱䄪木
U+68C3

U+7282 犂 vs ⿱䄪牛
U+7282

U+9ECE 黎 V1-6D2E vs ⿱䄪𱥯
U+9ECE

U+74C8 瓈 vs ⿰王⿱䄪𱥯
U+74C8

U+853E 蔾 vs ⿳艹䄪木
U+853E


However, there is only U+9ECE 黎 has the V-Source reference and the top component shows 𥝢 not 䄪.
Maybe we need to make something.

Solution 1:
Modify the glyph and IDS for this character to ⿰石棃.
Do the V-Source horizontal extensions for U+68C3 棃, U+7282 犂, U+74C8 瓈, U+853E 蔾 like 黎 in future.

Solution 2:
Change V1-6D2E glyph for U+9ECE 黎 to ⿱䄪𱥯.
Treat ⿱䄪X as Vietnam/VNPF convention.
Do the V-Source horizontal extensions for U+68C3 棃, U+7282 犂, U+74C8 瓈, U+853E 蔾 as ⿱䄪木, ⿱䄪牛, ⿰王⿱䄪𱥯, ⿳艹䄪木 in future.
Change IDS for this character to ⿰石棃, but keep the glyph.
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2024-12-23 02:54:21 UTC
Glyph Design & Normalization
GLYPH_DESIGN
WS2024 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
The best solution is 1, modify VN-F03D1 to use 𥝢.

Nom Na Tong and other Nôm fonts, such as Han-Nom Minh and Han-Nom Kai use 𥝢 for most of the characters shown above and some others:

Chars with 𥝢 in Nom Na Tong: 棃犂黎瓈𥗍𨛫㰀嚟𠠍𤂱𤑬



The only exceptions we can find are U+853E and VN-F03D1.

䄪 is not necessarily standard. Other dictionaries show 𥝢 for U+68C3 and U+853E, as in the entries below from Taberd.

Changing the glyphs of U+853E and VN-F03D1 will be the least disruptive and conform to Vietnamese usage. We can do the horizontal extension after we change U+853E.

We will add 𥝢 as a normalization rule for 䄪.

Entries from Taberd showing the use of 𥝢

P. 699


P. 260
Lee COLLINS
Vietnam
2024-12-24 00:53:26 UTC
Glyph Design & Normalization
GLYPH_DESIGN
WS2024 v2.0
[ Resolved ]
We have an update to this glyph for the change proposed above.
Lee COLLINS
Vietnam
2025-02-24 20:30:01 UTC

Meeting Minutes

DateDescription

Attribute Changes

VersionDescription
3.0
For 02713, add Discussion Record "IDS=⿰石棃, V glyph updated, 2025-06."
3.0
For 02713, change IDS to ⿰石棃

Glyph Changes

Source ReferenceGlyph
VN-F03D1
1.0
🢂
3.0

Raw Info
Character ReferenceVN-F03D1
CodepointF03D1
Radical112
Stroke Count12
First Stroke3
Total Stroke17
IDS⿰石⿱䄪木
VariantsN/A
Pronunciation
Total No. of Evidences1
NotesN/A
Radical 2N/A
Stroke Count 2N/A
First Stroke 2N/A