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04643
R=203.0 黑, SC=4, FS=5
R2=52.0 幺, SC2=13, FS2=2
IDS=, TS=16

VN-F0188
IRGN2887WS2024v4.0Pending
Postponed for further investigation, IRG 65.
Similar To: 黝 (U+9EDD)
U+9EDDU+9EDD
Attributes:



Review Comments

Type
Description
Submitter
Unification
UNIFICATION
WS2024 v3.0
[ Unresolved ]
U+9EDD
No more evidences to prove the glyph shape? It seems unifiable to 黝 (U+9EDD) according to the pronunciation.
TAO Yang
China
2025-07-29 03:02:58 UTC
Unification
NO_UNIFICATION
WS2024 v3.0
[ Unresolved ]
The analysis in the evidence says that the shape is composed of "hắc (黑)" and "ảo (幻)". As shown below, 幻 read as nôm "ảo" has one meaning of dark, obscure, etc. This is the semantic in this character.




xxx Is a different word, "u" with a similar meaning of "dark"

Lee COLLINS
Vietnam
2025-08-01 03:48:01 UTC
Unification
NO_UNIFICATION
WS2024 v3.0
[ Unresolved ]
I didn't finish the above, but meant to say that 黝 (U+9EDD) is basically a different word "u", used in the compound "u hắc", whereas VN-F0188 is "ảo", having a wider range of meanings: "not current; obscure, ephemeral, etc." They should be kept separate.
Lee COLLINS
Vietnam
2025-08-01 03:52:26 UTC
Evidence
EVIDENCE
WS2024 v3.0
[ Unresolved ]
Removal of the stroke from 幼 is pretty common historically:



(Quoted from the MOE Dictionary entry for A01549)

Potentially this could be a UCV level 2 if there are a huge number of variants of 幼 from V source.
Henry CHAN
Individual
2025-10-14 06:59:26 UTC

Meeting Minutes

DateDescription
IRG #65
2025-10-14 (Tue)
2:56 pm +0800
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
postponed for further investigation.

Attribute Changes

VersionDescription
4.0
For 04643, add Discussion Record "Postponed for further investigation, IRG 65."
4.0
For 04643, change Status to Postponed

Glyph Changes

Source ReferenceGlyph
VN-F0188
1.0

Raw Info
Character ReferenceVN-F0188
CodepointF0188
Radical203
Stroke Count4
First Stroke5
Total Stroke16
IDS⿰黑幻
VariantsU+9EDD
Pronunciationảo ỉu
Total No. of Evidences1
NotesN/A
Radical 252
Stroke Count 213
First Stroke 22