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R=12.0 八, SC=11, FS=4
R2=38.0 女, SC2=10, FS=4
IDS=, TS=13

VN-F001E
R=12.0 (八), SC=11, FS=4, R(2)=38.0 (女), SC(2)=10, FS(2)=4, IRG 61.
R=119.0 (米), SC=7, FS=5, 2023-05.
Secondary Radical =38.0, SC(2)=10, FS(2)=4
Attributes:



Review Comments

Type
Description
Submitter
Attributes
ATTRIBUTES_RADICAL
WS2021 v4.0
[ Resolved ]
Change Radical to 119.0 (米), SC=7, FS=5 or 38.0 (女), SC=10, FS=4
Ken LUNDE
UTC
2023-01-29 14:25:20 UTC
Data for Unihan
UNIHAN_DATA
WS2021 v4.0
kVietnameseNumeric 6
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2023-02-11 13:49:07 UTC
Modified
Attributes
ATTRIBUTES_RADICAL
WS2021 v5.0
[ Unresolved ]
Change Radical to 38.0 (女), SC=10, FS=4.

While 娄 has radical 119.0 (米) in the code charts, it is under radical 38.0 (女) in Hanyu Dazidian, CNS11643 as well as the Moji Joho database, same as the radical of its traditional counterpart, 婁.

娄 also has a codepoint of U+5A04 which sits squarely in the block of characters with 女 radicals in the URO, so I believe the change to make it under radical 119.0 (米) is an error.

The code charts should be corrected and this character should use 女 as the radical.
Henry CHAN
Individual
2023-06-04 17:41:10 UTC
Attributes
ATTRIBUTES_RADICAL
WS2021 v5.0
[ Unresolved ]
Looking at all of the encoded Vietnamese characters with 娄 on the left side, since 娄 is the phonetic, with the exception of U+21890, which uses # 38, the radicals used are based on the right side semantic element. Since we we have now changed the basis for determining the radical, we might want to go back and the change previously encoded characters at some time.
Lee COLLINS
Vietnam
2023-06-22 20:01:09 UTC
Attributes
ATTRIBUTES_RADICAL
WS2021 v5.0
[ Unresolved ]
Change Radical to 12.0 (八) to follow the character 六? SC=11, FS=4

And, the secondary radical could be 38.0 (女). But, we also need to update the RS of 娄 in URO.《现代汉语词典》 (Ed. 6) chose 米 as the basic radical, and 女 as the secondary radical.

Cf. In 《现代汉语词典》 (Ed. 6), the basic radical of 鸡 is 又, and the secondary radical is 鸟.

We also found other similar issues in URO.
The radical of 馮 is 馬, but the radical of 冯 is 冫.
The radical of 問 is 口, but the radical of 问 is 门.

We should handle this kind of issues more macroscopically. I don’t hope we give three radicals for this character.
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2023-09-27 07:50:52 UTC

Meeting Minutes

DateDescription
IRG #62
2024-03-18 (Mon)
11:30 am +0800
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
solved.
IRG #61
2023-10-17 (Tue)
9:37 am -0400
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
R=12.0 (八), SC=11, sencondary r 38.0 (女)

Attribute Changes

VersionDescription
5.0
For 00259, change Radical to 119.0 (米)
5.0
For 00259, change Stroke Count to 7
5.0
For 00259, change First Stroke to 5
5.0
For 00259, add Discussion Record "R=119.0 (米), SC=7, FS=5, 2023-05."
6.0
For 00259, change Radical to 12.0 (八)
6.0
For 00259, change Stroke Count to 11
6.0
For 00259, change First Stroke to 4
6.0
For 00259, change Radical (Secondary) to 38.0 (女)
6.0
For 00259, change Stroke Count (Secondary) to 10
6.0
For 00259, change First Stroke (Secondary) to 4
6.0
For 00259, add Discussion Record "R=12.0 (八), SC=11, FS=4, R(2)=38.0 (女), SC(2)=10, FS(2)=4, IRG 61."

Glyph Changes

Source ReferenceGlyph
VN-F001E
1.0

Raw Info
groupV
SourceVN-F001E
CodeF001E
Rad12
Strk10
FS4
TS13
IDS⿰娄六
Var.N/A
EvidenceVN-F001E.jpg
Readingsáu [JY: thau5]
NoteN/A
Prev. WSN/A
Prev. WS No.N/A