Character Info
00259
 VN-F001E |
R=12.0 (八), SC=11, FS=4, R(2)=38.0 (女), SC(2)=10, FS(2)=4, IRG 61.
R=119.0 (米), SC=7, FS=5, 2023-05.
R=119.0 (米), SC=7, FS=5, 2023-05.
Secondary Radical =38.0, SC(2)=10, FS(2)=4
Attributes:
Meeting Minutes
| Date | Description |
|---|---|
| IRG #62 2024-03-18 (Mon) 11:30 am +0800 Recorded by CHEN Zhuang | solved. |
| IRG #61 2023-10-17 (Tue) 9:37 am -0400 Recorded by CHEN Zhuang | R=12.0 (八), SC=11, sencondary r 38.0 (女) |
Attribute Changes
| Version | Description |
|---|---|
| 5.0 | For 00259, change Radical to 119.0 (米) |
| 5.0 | For 00259, change Stroke Count to 7 |
| 5.0 | For 00259, change First Stroke to 5 |
| 5.0 | For 00259, add Discussion Record "R=119.0 (米), SC=7, FS=5, 2023-05." |
| 6.0 | For 00259, change Radical to 12.0 (八) |
| 6.0 | For 00259, change Stroke Count to 11 |
| 6.0 | For 00259, change First Stroke to 4 |
| 6.0 | For 00259, change Radical (Secondary) to 38.0 (女) |
| 6.0 | For 00259, change Stroke Count (Secondary) to 10 |
| 6.0 | For 00259, change First Stroke (Secondary) to 4 |
| 6.0 | For 00259, add Discussion Record "R=12.0 (八), SC=11, FS=4, R(2)=38.0 (女), SC(2)=10, FS(2)=4, IRG 61." |
Glyph Changes
| Source Reference | Glyph |
|---|---|
| VN-F001E | 1.0 |
Raw Info
| group | V |
| Source | VN-F001E |
| Code | F001E |
| Rad | 12 |
| Strk | 10 |
| FS | 4 |
| TS | 13 |
| IDS | ⿰娄六 |
| Var. | N/A |
| Evidence | VN-F001E.jpg |
| Reading | sáu [JY: thau5] |
| Note | N/A |
| Prev. WS | N/A |
| Prev. WS No. | N/A |
Review Comments
While 娄 has radical 119.0 (米) in the code charts, it is under radical 38.0 (女) in Hanyu Dazidian, CNS11643 as well as the Moji Joho database, same as the radical of its traditional counterpart, 婁.
娄 also has a codepoint of U+5A04 which sits squarely in the block of characters with 女 radicals in the URO, so I believe the change to make it under radical 119.0 (米) is an error.
The code charts should be corrected and this character should use 女 as the radical.
And, the secondary radical could be 38.0 (女). But, we also need to update the RS of 娄 in URO.《现代汉语词典》 (Ed. 6) chose 米 as the basic radical, and 女 as the secondary radical.
Cf. In 《现代汉语词典》 (Ed. 6), the basic radical of 鸡 is 又, and the secondary radical is 鸟.
We also found other similar issues in URO.
The radical of 馮 is 馬, but the radical of 冯 is 冫.
The radical of 問 is 口, but the radical of 问 is 门.
We should handle this kind of issues more macroscopically. I don’t hope we give three radicals for this character.