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R=115.0 禾, SC=8, FS=5
R2=46.0 山, SC2=10, FS=3
IDS=𭖔, TS=13

GDM-00230
Evidence accepted, R(2)=46.0 (山), SC(2)=10, FS(2)=3 IRG 59.
Evidence explanation accepted, IRG 58.
Secondary Radical =46.0, SC(2)=10, FS(2)=3
Attributes:



Review Comments

Type
Description
Submitter
Evidence
UNCLEAR_EVIDENCE
WS2021 v2.0
[ Resolved ]
Evidence is unclear. I cannot make out whether the right side is 𭖔 or not, and as 𭖔 is not a component used in any other character it is not obvious that it should be 𭖔 here. Please provide additional evidence showing clearer images of the character.
Andrew WEST
UK
2022-01-05 20:42:15 UTC
Evidence
UNCLEAR_EVIDENCE (Response)
WS2021 v2.0
[ Resolved ]
The zoomed picture:

and page 450 of the same book:

Xieyang WANG
Individual
2022-01-08 12:33:29 UTC
Data for Unihan
COMMENT
WS2021 v3.0
kMandarin jiā
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2022-07-13 01:38:47 UTC
Other
COMMENT_IGNORE
WS2021 v3.0
The following is a page on 嵇伽山农场. The address use 嵇山村. 嵇山村 is a previous name of this county, because the people can input the second character.
http://www.dianping.com/shop/l65Bkm6qY75kRkst

Eiso CHAN
Individual
2022-07-13 01:51:10 UTC
Evidence
EVIDENCE
WS2021 v3.0
[ Resolved ]
The administrative system of Changsha City, Hunan Province (湖南省长沙市) once had a great change in the late 20th and early 21st centuries. The mountain mentioned in the evidence is located at the junction of what is now Yuelu District (岳麓区), Wangcheng District (望城区) and Ningxiang County (宁乡县), and the main part is in current Jijiashan Village, Yuchangping Town (雨敞坪镇) which is now under the jurisdiction of Yuelu District based on 湘民行发〔2008〕3号, and 黄金镇 (also 黄金乡) mentioned in the evidence is disassembled into 黄金园街道, 白马街道 and so on. Jijiashan Village is the geographical name in the evidence related to the submitted character. There is a folk tale that the original name of this mountain is 鸡叫山, and the people changed the name to 嵇家山/嵇珈山/嵇伽山/嵇𡶐山/嵇𡶥山 (so many forms) because the reading of 鸡 and 嵇 are similar, 叫 and 家/珈/伽/𡶐/𡶥 are also similar. This behaviour is called as 地名雅化, but the folk tale is very unbelievable. Current Jijiashan Village uses 嵇家山 as the official county name, because 家 is a common character. This is not a good choice. For the mountain, people use 嵇珈山/嵇伽山/嵇𡶐山/嵇𡶥山 in the daily life. We can know the phonetic elements of 珈/伽/𡶐/𡶥 is 加 easily. For the submitted character, the component 禾 and 山 come from 嵇, and 加 is also the real phonetic element. Therefore, the current glyph is acceptable.

Eiso CHAN
Individual
2022-07-27 00:49:14 UTC
Attributes
ATTRIBUTES_RADICAL
WS2021 v3.0
[ Resolved ]
Change Radical to 46.0 (山), SC=10, FS=3

See #8763, the RS should follow 嵇.
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2022-07-27 00:49:53 UTC

Meeting Minutes

DateDescription
IRG #59
2022-10-20 (Thu)
9:54 am +0800
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
second Radical to 46.0 (山), SC=10, FS=3
IRG #59
2022-10-20 (Thu)
11:05 am +0800
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
Evidence accepted
IRG #58
2022-03-18 (Fri)
10:07 am +0800
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
evidence explanation accepted.

Attribute Changes

VersionDescription
3.0
For 02878, add Discussion Record "Evidence explanation accepted, IRG 58."
4.0
For 02878, add Discussion Record "Evidence accepted, R(2)=46.0 (山), SC(2)=10, FS(2)=3 IRG 59."
4.0
For 02878, change Radical (Secondary) to 46.0 (山)
4.0
For 02878, change Stroke Count (Secondary) to 10
4.0
For 02878, change First Stroke (Secondary) to 3

Glyph Changes

Source ReferenceGlyph
GDM-00230
1.0

Raw Info
groupChina (GDM - Place Name Characters)
a) Source referenceGDM-00230
b) PUA Code of TTFE264
c) KangXi Radical Code(Primary)115.0
d) Stroke Count(Primary)8
e) First Stroke(Primary)5
g) Total Stroke Count13
i) IDS (Ideographic Description Sequence)⿰禾𭖔
j) Similar/ Variants N/A
k) Ref. to Evidence doc湖南省望城县地名录 八辅