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195.0 魚
SC=8, FS=5 TS=19

GKJ-00217
IRGN2632WS2021v6.0Pending
Postponed for further investigation, IRG 57.
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Review Comments

Type
Description
Submitter
Evidence
EVIDENCE
WS2021 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
U+4C64


The evidence is quoted in 《說文廣義》卷1 folio 53: https://nrs.harvard.edu/urn-3:FHCL:4596689?n=78, however the next page enumerates the shuowen seal script forms of ⿰魚函, which is clearly 䱤.

The content of 說文廣義 includes every characters it mentioned, which also has 䱤: https://nrs.harvard.edu/urn-3:FHCL:4596689?n=24

Because the source has contradicting evidences on ⿰魚函, I would suggest pending more evidences on ⿰魚函.
HUANG Junliang
Individual
2021-06-09 01:39:29 UTC
Evidence
EVIDENCE
WS2021 v4.0
[ Resolved ]
The submitted evidence is 清康熙刻本.
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2023-01-13 05:07:14 UTC
Other
OTHER
WS2021 v4.0
[ Unresolved ]
As the annotation analysis this character 从魚函聲, ⿰魚函 should be the correct glyph.
TAO Yang
China
2023-03-20 19:31:36 UTC
Other
OTHER
WS2021 v4.0
[ Unresolved ]
Reply to #13010 TAO Yang.

The evidence shows the fanqie of this character is 戸𧸖切.

The 音韻地位 of 戸 is 匣母遇攝姥韻上聲開口一等;
the 音韻地位 of 𧸖 is 澄母咸攝咸韻去聲開口二等,
that means the 音韻地位 of the submitted character is 匣母咸攝咸韻去聲開口二等.

In 廣韻, there are two fanqie for 䱤 (U+4C64).
古念切 means 見母咸攝添韻去聲開口四等
戸韽切 means 澄母咸攝咸韻去聲開口二等 which matches 戸𧸖切 as well.

Therefore, this character is the typo of 䱤 (U+4C64) without any doubt. 函聲 is also a typo.

If any expert can prove it is the stable error, IRG could consider to keep it as-is. However, I can’t find any useful evidence.
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2023-03-21 08:39:09 UTC
Evidence
EVIDENCE
WS2021 v4.0
[ Unresolved ]
The small seal on the next page.
I understand according to the small seal and Fanqie, it should be transfered into 䱤, but as it has been defined as a head character, what we should do is to encode it instead of correcting the original book.
TAO Yang
China
2023-03-21 14:33:29 UTC

Meeting Minutes

DateDescription
IRG #62
2024-03-19 (Tue)
9:53 am +0800
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
could be submitted to ws2024.
IRG #57
2021-09-16 (Thu)
10:37 am +0800
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
Postponed for further investigation

Attribute Changes

VersionDescription
2.0
For 04605, change Status to Postponed
2.0
For 04605, add Discussion Record "Postponed for further investigation, IRG 57."

Glyph Changes

Source ReferenceGlyph
GKJ-00217
1.0

Raw Info
groupChina (GKJ - Science and Technology Characters)
a) Source referenceGKJ-00217
b) PUA Code of TTFE004
c) KangXi Radical Code(Primary)195.0
d) Stroke Count(Primary)8
e) First Stroke(Primary)5
g) Total Stroke Count19
i) IDS (Ideographic Description Sequence)⿰魚函
j) Similar/ Variants N/A
k) Ref. to Evidence doc說文廣義