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SC=10, FS=2, TS=13

SAT-09507
IRGN2932WS2024v5.0Pending
SC=10, TS=13, pending discussion of a new UCV rule, IRG 66.
U+517EU+517E
U+5180U+5180
U+452CU+452C
Attributes:



Review Comments

Type
Description
Submitter
Unification
UNIFICATION
WS2024 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
U+32778
Unify to [WS2021-01170] ⿱山異 (Ext. J U+32778)
Andrew WEST
UK
2024-08-19 09:01:32 UTC
Other
COMMENT
WS2024 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
Is it the 反切下字 (fanqie lower character) of 悶 (see Evidence 2)?

The kFanqie property value for 悶 is 莫困, and the evidences show the fanqie is 鄙~.
悶: 明母臻攝魂韻合口一等去聲 (被切字)
莫: 明母宕攝唐韻開口一等入聲 (反切上字)
困: 溪母臻攝魂韻合口一等去聲 (反切下字)
That means the fanqie matches the character 悶.

However, 鄙 is 幫母 and 三等, that means the reading of character 被切字 should be 齐齿呼. 幫母 and 明母 are not totally the same.
鄙: 幫母止攝脂韻開口三等上聲 (反切上字)

At least, the submitted character should be as below.
?母臻攝魂韻合口三等(?)去聲 (反切下字)
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2024-09-25 07:07:06 UTC
Other
OTHER
WS2024 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
Isn't it U+959F 閟 bì, not U+60B6 悶 mèn?
Andrew WEST
UK
2024-09-25 09:29:28 UTC
Other
COMMENT
WS2024 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
Andrew’s comment (#4214) is reasonable.

The kFanqie property value for 閟 is 兵媚.
閟: 幫母止攝脂韻開口三等去聲 (被切字)
兵: 幫母梗攝庚韻開口三等平聲 (反切上字)
媚: 明母止攝脂韻開口三等去聲 (反切下字)

And the usage of 鄙 is the same as 兵 as the shengmu (声母), that means the submitted character should be as below.
?母止攝脂韻開口三等去聲

On the other hand, 異 is shown as below. (羊吏切)
以母止攝之韻開口三等去聲

脂韻 and 之韻 are very close in middle Chinese, so we can guess the submitted character should be as below.
以母止攝脂韻開口三等去聲 (Putonghua reading: yì)
That means the unification request on Comment #8 is also acceptable.
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2024-10-01 13:40:55 UTC
Attributes
ATTRIBUTES_SC
WS2024 v2.0
[ Resolved ]
SC=10
Ken LUNDE
Convenor
2025-01-15 00:38:35 UTC
Attributes
ATTRIBUTES_TC
WS2024 v2.0
[ Resolved ]
TS=13
Ken LUNDE
Convenor
2025-01-15 00:38:49 UTC
Editorial
EDITORIAL_ISSUE
WS2024 v3.0
[ Resolved ]
Has Comment #8 been discussed yet? There is no meeting minute to record this.
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2025-10-31 13:29:12 UTC
Unification
UNIFICATION
WS2024 v4.0
[ Resolved ]
U+32778
Unify to 𲝸 (U+32778)
[WS2021-01170]

See Comments #8, #4213, #4214, #4246.
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2026-02-13 06:03:22 UTC

Meeting Minutes

DateDescription
IRG #66
2026-03-17 (Tue)
8:56 am +0800
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
attributes to be updated, pending for new ucv discussion.

Attribute Changes

VersionDescription
5.0
For 01270, change Stroke Count to 10
5.0
For 01270, change Total Stroke Count to 13
5.0
For 01270, change Status to Postponed
5.0
For 01270, add Discussion Record "SC=10, TS=13, pending discussion of a new UCV rule, IRG 66."

Glyph Changes

Source ReferenceGlyph
SAT-09507
1.0

Raw Info
Character ReferenceSAT-09507
CodepointF169
Radical46.0
Stroke Count11
First Stroke2
Total Stroke14
IDS⿱山𮲡
Variants兾冀䔬
Total No. of Evidences2
NotesSimilar and synonym: 兾/冀/ Similar but semantically different: 䔬/