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R=86.0 火, SC=10, FS=3
R2=62.0 戈, SC2=10, FS2=3
IDS=, TS=14

VN-F01DF
Radical no change, IRG 64.
Attributes:



Review Comments

Type
Description
Submitter
Attributes
ATTRIBUTES_RADICAL
WS2024 v2.0
[ Resolved ]
I recommend swapping the primary and secondary radicals
Ken LUNDE
Convenor
2025-01-19 15:12:55 UTC
Attributes
ATTRIBUTES_RADICAL
WS2024 v2.0
[ Unresolved ]
Swapping is fine. But maybe we should consider 196 鳥, since it means 'crow'. We chose 86 based on Kangxi and Unihan, but if there is no need to follow those, 'bird' is the best semantic.
Lee COLLINS
Vietnam
2025-01-19 19:22:51 UTC
Attributes
ATTRIBUTES_RADICAL
WS2024 v2.0
[ Unresolved ]
For this case, the semantic rationale is that the semantic element is 烏 based on the corresponding Chinese word of “crow” 烏鴉, the phonetic element is 戈 (qua). The current only radical of 烏 is R86.0, so we use R86.0 firstly.

If we add the secondary RS for U+70CF 烏 as 196.-1, the secondary RS for U+4E4C 乌 as 196'.-1, we can consider using R196 as the preliminary radical, and SC=3 (-1+4), FS=1.
U+70CF

U+4E4C


The RS for the following variants of 烏/乌 should be considered to be updated correspondingly.
U+200B6 𠂶 196.-1?
U+200B6

U+2CEC6 𬻆 196.-4 (-1-3)? cf. U+2B813 𫠓
U+2CEC6

U+2B813

U+2DD1A 𭴚 196.-1?
U+2DD1A


There are other characters related the components 烏/乌.
U+3137C 𱍼 196'.2 (-1+3)?
U+3137C

U+31AF3 𱫳 196.3 (-1+4)?
U+31AF3

WS2021-01355 ⿰乌恶 196'.9 (-1+10)?
[WS2021-01355]
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2025-01-20 01:12:13 UTC

Meeting Minutes

DateDescription
IRG #64
2025-03-19 (Wed)
12:24 pm +0800
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
no change of radicals.

Attribute Changes

VersionDescription
3.0
For 02253, add Discussion Record "Radical no change, IRG 64."

Glyph Changes

Source ReferenceGlyph
VN-F01DF
1.0

Raw Info
Character ReferenceVN-F01DF
CodepointF01DF
Radical86
Stroke Count10
First Stroke3
Total Stroke14
IDS⿰烏戈
VariantsN/A
Pronunciationquạ
Total No. of Evidences1
NotesN/A
Radical 262
Stroke Count 210
First Stroke 23