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04153
R=180.0 音, SC=11, FS=3
R2=108.0 皿, SC2=15, FS2=3
IDS=, TS=20

VN-F1FFF
No change, IRG 66.
R(2)=108.0 (皿), SC(2)=15, FS(2)=3, IRG 65.
Attributes:
Primary Radical (R=180.0 音)

Secondary Radical (R=108.0 皿)



Review Comments

Type
Description
Submitter
Attributes
ATTRIBUTES_RADICAL
WS2024 v2.0
[ Resolved ]
Change Radical to 108.0 (皿) or add it as the secondary one, SC=15, FS=3

The semantic element is 盘, and the phonetic element is 音. 音 reads as ʔɤm¹ and ʔom¹

Eiso CHAN
Individual
2025-04-07 07:53:55 UTC
Attributes
ATTRIBUTES_RADICAL
WS2024 v2.0
[ Resolved ]
The IRG needs to have an intelligble policy on assignment of radicals. We originally based it on semantic, then the policy seems to have switched to "most intuitive". 180 is "intuitive"; 108 is semantic. Which is it to be?
Lee COLLINS
Vietnam
2025-04-09 00:26:23 UTC
Attributes
ATTRIBUTES_RADICAL
WS2024 v2.0
[ Resolved ]
For Comment #10021, understand Lee’s comment. In IRG N2412R, the authors pointed out this issue, and IRG discussed it during IRG #53 in Shenzhen. The following is the recommendation IRG M53.6.


In the subsequent actual operation in our review works, we include two kinds of radicals. We may have the following possibilities, and we can choose one of them.
(1) The intuitive radical is the primary one, the semantic radical is the secondary one.
(2) The semantic radical is the primary one, the intuitive radical is the secondary one.
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2025-04-09 05:59:45 UTC
Attributes
ATTRIBUTES_RADICAL
WS2024 v4.0
[ Resolved ]
To respond to Comments #10021 and #10022, which I just saw because this is the first time for me to review this portion of the working set, we are not building a formal dictionary, but rather establishing incremental repertoires of Han ideographs that now include over 100,000 such characters. Given that Han ideographs are found in various regions, and that many are unique to a given region, when searching for Han ideograph, it is often unclear as to which component serves which function. This is why I would advocate that the most intuitive radical, regardless of whether it serves as the semantic component or not, should be the primary one. It is also important to add a secondary radical when doing so would aid in discoverability. Perhaps the best ways to search for an ideograph is by using the Radical-Stroke Index that the Unicode Consortium includes with each version of the Unicode Standard, as an interactive web page, as a PDF file that is for visual searching (RSIndex.pdf), and now as a plain-text data file that can be used to programmatically search (RSIndex.txt).
Ken LUNDE
Convenor
2026-01-18 14:28:37 UTC
Attributes
ATTRIBUTES_RADICAL
WS2024 v4.0
[ Resolved ]
Remove the secondary radical.
Ken LUNDE
Convenor
2026-03-16 16:07:04 UTC

Meeting Minutes

DateDescription
IRG #66
2026-03-17 (Tue)
11:13 am +0800
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
no change.
IRG #65
2025-10-14 (Tue)
5:30 pm +0800
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
secondary Radical to 108.0 (皿) , SC=15, FS=3

Attribute Changes

VersionDescription
4.0
For 04153, change Radical (Secondary) to 108.0 (皿)
4.0
For 04153, change Stroke Count (Secondary) to 15
4.0
For 04153, change First Stroke (Secondary) to 3
4.0
For 04153, add Discussion Record "R(2)=108.0 (皿), SC(2)=15, FS(2)=3, IRG 65."
5.0
For 04153, add Discussion Record "No change, IRG 66."

Glyph Changes

Source ReferenceGlyph
VN-F1FFF
1.0

Raw Info
Character ReferenceVN-F1FFF
CodepointF1FFF
Radical180
Stroke Count11
First Stroke3
Total Stroke20
IDS⿰盘音
VariantsN/A
Pronunciation[JY: mɤm1]
Total No. of Evidences1
NotesN/A
Radical 2N/A
Stroke Count 2N/A
First Stroke 2N/A