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142.0 虫
SC=3, FS=3 TS=9

UTC-03182
Not unified to 虷 U+8677, new evidence accepted, non-cognate, IRG 57.
Similar To: 虷 (U+8677)
U+8677U+8677
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Review Comments

Type
Description
Submitter
Unification
UNIFICATION
WS2021 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
U+8677
unify to 虷 (U+8677)?
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2021-05-19 12:41:09 UTC
Unification
UNIFICATION
WS2021 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
U+8677
Unify to 虷 (U+8677). As telegraph code books should only list relatively common characters that are well-attested elsewhere, any unencoded characters must be variants or mistakes of already-encoded characters. But as the code books do not provide readings or meanings for the characters listed we have to guess what the true identification of the character is. In this case it is almost certainly a mistake or variant for U+8677. Unify according to UCV principle a-1 (differences in stroke initiation direction).
Andrew WEST
UK
2021-05-21 13:07:45 UTC
Unification
NO_UNIFICATION
WS2021 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
Evidence enlarged:


The first stroke of the right-hand component goes top-right to bottom-left. 千 and 干 are different components and thus not unifiable.
Jaemin CHUNG
Individual
2021-05-23 20:18:33 UTC
Unification
NO_UNIFICATION
WS2021 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
“千” and “干” are apparently different characters and they can't be unified. If we encode these two shape to one code point, the disunification is just a matter of time.
If we have to confirm that this is not a wrongly printed glpyh, we can reject it according to IRG PnP 2.2.1.d.(2), the evidence satisfy none of the items under IRG PnP 2.2.1.d.(2).
Xieyang WANG
Individual
2021-05-24 12:34:49 UTC
Evidence
EVIDENCE
WS2021 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
This seems to be a misprint of 虷. In other version of telegraph codes, 9168 is mapped to 虷.
Henry CHAN
Individual
2021-05-27 01:25:51 UTC
Unification
UNIFICATION
WS2021 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
U+8677
It is ridiculous to say "“千” and “干” are apparently different characters and they can't be unified" without providing any evidence for the meaning of the ⿰虫千. The telegraph code book is not a dictionary but only lists characters in current use, so ⿰虫千 must be presumed to be a mistake/variant of 虷 unless reliable evidence that it is a separate character can be produced.
Andrew WEST
UK
2021-06-01 12:12:30 UTC
Evidence
NEW_EVIDENCE
WS2021 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
《Dictionary of the Foochow Dialect》P1838
Xieyang WANG
Individual
2021-06-24 07:23:11 UTC
Unification
DISUNIFICATION
WS2021 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
To my point of view, unifying “千” to “干” is ridiculous. Though their shape is similar to each other, they are definately different characters. If the componet "千" is written as “干”, we call it a wrong glyph but a variant. If “千” can be unified to “干” without any solid evidence, considering every character that contains a component of “千” can be written as “干”, should we unify them all? The answer is absolutely NO. That's why I oppose to unify the two characters but reject the evidence. Hence the new evidence is provided, I think there is no need to withdraw the character.

What's more, I believe UK said "As telegraph code books should only list relatively common characters that are well-attested elsewhere, any unencoded characters must be variants or mistakes of already-encoded characters" and suggest to unify ⿰虫千 to 虷 (U+8677) based on this, I'd like to know which character should UTC-03171 be unified to.

https://hc.jsecs.org/irg/ws2021/app/?find=UTC-03171

So if the evidece is not clear enough, we'd better reject the evidence but unify the proposed glyph by inference.
Xieyang WANG
Individual
2021-06-24 07:52:39 UTC
Unification
NO_UNIFICATION
WS2021 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
Disagree to unify with 虷 (U+8677) per new evidence
Ken LUNDE
UTC
2021-08-13 13:24:20 UTC
Data for Unihan
UNIHAN_DATA
WS2021 v4.0
kTaiwanTelegraph 9168
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2022-11-07 01:19:07 UTC
Modified

Meeting Minutes

DateDescription
IRG #57
2021-09-16 (Thu)
9:38 am +0800
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
Not unified to 虷 U+8677, new evidence of non cognate accepted.

Attribute Changes

VersionDescription
2.0
For 03505, add Discussion Record "Not unified to 虷 U+8677, new evidence accepted, non-cognate, IRG 57."

Glyph Changes

Source ReferenceGlyph
UTC-03182
1.0

Raw Info
groupUTC
a) Source ReferenceUTC-03182
b) PUA Code PointU+F46D
c) Kangxi Radical Code142
d) Stroke Count3
e) First Stroke3
g) Total Strokes9
i) IDS⿰虫千
j) Similar IdeographsU+8677 虷
k) References for Evidence Images電碼新編 (1976), #9168