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SAT-01301
IRGN2632WS2021v6.0Pending
Postponed for further discussion of encoding model, IRG 57.
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Review Comments

Type
Description
Submitter
Other
COMMENT
WS2021 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
This is not a CJK unified ideograph, but a kana ligature for toki (see attached image from Arthur Rose-Innes' "Beginners' Dictionary of Chinese-Japanese Characters" (1977). The fact that the kana ligature tomo was incorrectly encoded in Ext. C as U+2A708 is not a precedent for encoding additional kana ligatures as CJK unified ideographs. SAT should propose the kana ligatures tomo and toki for encoding in one of the kana blocks.
Andrew WEST
UK
2021-05-21 10:58:32 UTC
Evidence
MISIDENTIFIED_GLYPH
WS2021 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
I agree with the UK. This is clearly a katakana ligature, and should be submitted as a regular character, to be treated like U+30FF ヿ KATAKANA DIGRAPH KOTO.
Ken LUNDE
UTC
2021-05-21 12:20:46 UTC
Evidence
NEW_EVIDENCE
WS2021 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
This evidence is page 2 of 国字の字典 (1990) that also shows U+30FF ヿ KATAKANA DIGRAPH KOTO highlighted in green.

Ken LUNDE
UTC
2021-05-21 12:36:25 UTC
Other
COMMENT
WS2021 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
As UTC withheld the decision on whether it is a CJK ideograph, we need to consult IRG whether to accept it as an ideograph. Any suggestion is welcome.
WANG Yifan
SAT
2021-07-26 07:20:48 UTC
Other
COMMENT
WS2021 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
I suggest other method on encoding this character in my feedback on IRGN2492.
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2021-09-13 14:05:36 UTC
Evidence
NEW_EVIDENCE
WS2021 v4.0
[ Unresolved ]
This one has been included in ISO/IEC TR 10036:2020, which the corresponding glyph identifier is 10065003.

https://www.iso.org/standard/79490.html
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2023-03-10 13:58:52 UTC
Evidence
NEW_EVIDENCE
WS2021 v4.0
[ Unresolved ]

▲ 張深切: 《日語要領》, 北京: 新民印書館, 1942.9, p. 46

This author thought this one is like U+30FF ヿ, but not Japanese kokuji.
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2023-03-10 14:26:11 UTC
Evidence
NEW_EVIDENCE
WS2021 v4.0
[ Unresolved ]

▲ 謝求生: 《文法中心現代日文綜合讀本》, 廣州: 廣州日文專脩館, 1936.9, p. 25

This author pointed out this one belongs to kana directly. I think all pieces of current evidence are sufficient to encode this one as kana in UCS and Unicode. tomo should be re-encoded as kana. As Andrew wrote, tomo is incorrectly encoded in Ext. C as U+2A708 𪜈, that was not a good choice for it.
U+2A708
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2023-03-10 14:38:50 UTC
Evidence
NEW_EVIDENCE
WS2021 v4.0
[ Unresolved ]

▲ 小宫山博史; 孙明远: 《日文数字字体分类试案》//孙明远: 《方寸之间——汉字文字设计文集》, 北京: 文化艺术出版社, 2023.4, ISBN 978-7-5039-7395-6, p. 298
(This book has not been published when I post this picture here, but we have planned to publish this book in April, 2023. The chief editor, Prof. Sun Mingyuan, has agreed us to use this picture only in IRG review works.)

As this evidence shows clearly, this one is treated as Katakana, and U+2A708 𪜈 is also treated as Katakana. On the other hand, the Katakana like 井 and 子 have not been encoded yet. (Yifan has more knowledge on the Katakana like 井 and 子.)
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2023-03-16 14:16:19 UTC
Other
COMMENT
WS2021 v5.0
[ Unresolved ]
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2023-04-26 02:00:25 UTC

Meeting Minutes

DateDescription
IRG #57
2021-09-17 (Fri)
9:28 am +0800
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
Postponed for further investigation
IRG #57
2021-09-17 (Fri)
9:29 am +0800
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
Postponed for further investigation on encoding model.

Attribute Changes

VersionDescription
2.0
For 00020, add Discussion Record "Postponed for further discussion of encoding model, IRG 57."
2.0
For 00020, change Status to Postponed

Glyph Changes

Source ReferenceGlyph
SAT-01301
1.0

Raw Info
groupSAT
a) Source referenceSAT-01301
b) PUA Code of TTFF110
c) KangXi Radical Code(Primary)002.0
d) Stroke Count(Primary)3
e) First Stroke(Primary)1
g) Total Stroke Sount4
i) IDS (Ideographic Description Sequence)⿰丨キ
j) Similar/ Variants N/A
k) Ref. to Evidence docSAT-01301-01.jpg
l) Optional infoN/A
m1)Previous IRG WSExt. D
m2)Sequence No of Previous IRG WS00066