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85.0 水
SC=1, FS=2 TS=5

UK-20514
Glyph potentially to be normalized, evidence aceepted, IRG 61.
IDS=⿻水丨, 2023-05.
Attributes:



Review Comments

Type
Description
Submitter
Attributes
ATTRIBUTES_IDS
WS2021 v3.0
[ Resolved ]
⿻水丨
Ken LUNDE
UTC
2022-07-01 16:24:23 UTC
Unification
UNIFICATION
WS2021 v5.0
[ Resolved ]
- ⿻水丨, /guɔ/ Wenzhou (Zhejiang Province) for the space in between crops;
- 𫤬, /ka ~ kang/ Zhejiang Province, ditch (from https://appsrv.cse.cuhk.edu.hk/~irg/irg/irg60/IRGN2616WangXieyang.pdf; and also note the character shape from 浙江省丽水市地名志)

Are these related/the same?
L F CHENG
Individual
2023-07-07 03:31:22 UTC
Evidence
NEW_EVIDENCE
WS2021 v5.0
[ Resolved ]

▲ 沈克成, 沈迦. 温州话词语考释. 2009: page 627.


▲ 沈克成, 沈迦. 温州话 修订版. 宁波出版社, 2006: page 260.
Kushim JIANG
Individual
2023-10-10 13:49:22 UTC
Attributes
ATTRIBUTES_IDS
WS2021 v5.0
[ Resolved ]
⿲㇇丨𰛅
Andrew WEST
UK
2023-10-10 13:55:00 UTC
Other
COMMENT
WS2021 v5.0
[ Resolved ]
Wenzhou /ɡ/ corresponds to 見-匣 initial, Wenzhou /uɔ/ in 見-匣 initials corresponds to two groups, one is 肴-宵 finals ({包} {交} {卯} ...), the other is 江-唐-陽 finals ({旁} {當} {方} {工} ...), Wenzhou /³⁴/ 陽上 (the book says using /²⁴/ is to be conspicuous) corresponds to 上 tone.

Consider 見 initial and 江-唐-陽 finals, these syllables will become /kɔ̃/ in Taizhou (Xianju point), and /kɔ̃/ in Lishui (Yunhe point). Since we lack direct language material, it is unable to substantiate linguistic association.
Kushim JIANG
Individual
2023-10-10 14:46:59 UTC
Evidence
UNCLEAR_EVIDENCE
WS2021 v5.0
[ Resolved ]
The shape of the ideograph seems to be questionable. The glyph of the character is different in 《因音求字》, 《重编因音求字》 and modern books. More evidences needed.
谢思泽:因音求字,温州务本局石印本,卷一,光韵上声:


谢思泽:重编因音求字,卷二,民国十六年(1927),page22
Xieyang WANG
Individual
2023-10-10 15:28:58 UTC
Evidence
NEW_EVIDENCE
WS2021 v6.0
[ Resolved ]
Andrew WEST
UK
2024-01-27 15:37:59 UTC
Glyph Design & Normalization
GLYPH_DESIGN
WS2021 v6.0
[ Resolved ]
Based on four separate printed sources which all show ⿻水丨, keep current glyph form unchanged.
Andrew WEST
UK
2024-01-27 15:41:22 UTC

Meeting Minutes

DateDescription
IRG #61
2023-10-17 (Tue)
8:48 am -0400
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
no change.
IRG #61
2023-10-17 (Tue)
8:51 am -0400
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
glyph potentially to be normalized, Evidence accepted.

Attribute Changes

VersionDescription
5.0
For 01988, change IDS to ⿻水丨
5.0
For 01988, add Discussion Record "IDS=⿻水丨, 2023-05."
6.0
For 01988, add Discussion Record "Glyph potentially to be normalized, evidence aceepted, IRG 61."

Glyph Changes

Source ReferenceGlyph
UK-20514
1.0

Raw Info
groupUK
a) Source referenceUK-20514
b) PUA Code of TTFF602
c) KangXi Radical Code (Primary)85.0
d) Stroke Count (Primary)1
e) First Stroke (Primary)2
f) Secondary KX Radical CodeN/A
f) a. Secondary Stroke CountN/A
f) b. Secondary First StrokeN/A
g) Total Stroke Count5
i) IDS⿲乛丨𰛅
j) Similar/ Variants N/A
k1) References to evidence documents李榮:《現代漢語方言大詞典》(江蘇教育出版社, 2002年) p. 1104
k2) Images FilenamesUK-20514-001.jpg
l) Other InformationN/A
m1) Previous IRG WSN/A
m2) Sequence No.N/A