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85.0 水
𠕄
SC=5, FS=2 TS=8

UTC-00456
Similar To: 𪵲 (U+2AD72)
U+2AD72U+2AD72
Attributes:



Review Comments

Type
Description
Submitter
Evidence
MISIDENTIFIED_GLYPH
WS2021 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
The glyph doesn't match the evidence.
There is no horizontal stroke in the red circled of the evidence.
Conifer TSENG
TCA
2021-07-06 03:56:08 UTC
Glyph Design & Normalization
GLYPH_DESIGN
WS2021 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
U+20544 𠕄 has Cantonese reading nap1 so should be the phonetic for the proposed character. The gap in the evidence glyph is perhaps a printing mistake, but in any case the proposed character should be normalized to ⿰氵𠕄.
Andrew WEST
UK
2021-07-06 11:22:37 UTC
Glyph Design & Normalization
GLYPH_DESIGN
WS2021 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
Agree with Andrew. The current glyph matches the rationale.
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2021-07-07 01:13:35 UTC
Glyph Design & Normalization
GLYPH_DESIGN
WS2021 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
Agree with Andrew and Eiso.
Ken LUNDE
UTC
2021-08-03 18:28:21 UTC
Glyph Design & Normalization
GLYPH_DESIGN
WS2021 v2.0
[ Resolved ]
Repeating that I agree with Andrew and Eiso. There is no issue other than to acknowledge a printing error in the evidence.
Ken LUNDE
UTC
2022-02-21 13:54:54 UTC
Data for Unihan
UNIHAN_DATA
WS2021 v3.0
kCantonese nap6

The Hong Kong people always reads this character as lap6, but we should follow the evidence. This word is often written as 𣲷 (U+23CB7) in Hong Kong, because some scholars considered 𣲷 is the original form (本字) of the word nap6/lap6, which I disagree for the huge difference in definitions for dictionaries. The Kangxi Dictionary shows the fanqie of 𣲷 is 尼立切 in 廣韻, so the pronunciation is corrected by nap6 not lap6. Zhanjiang has a word nɐk̚¹¹ with the similar meaning, but they do not conform to the general phonetic corresponding relationship. It is better to treat them as different words if we don’t get further usages of other local Yue sub-dialect. For this case, the pronunciation in the western part of Guangdong province has not been provided any useful support to correct the reading in Hong Kong and Guangzhou.

All in all, UTC-00456 is more proper than 𣲷 for the Cantonese word nap6/lap6.
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2022-06-30 01:23:06 UTC
Modified
Glyph Design & Normalization
GLYPH_DESIGN
WS2021 v3.0
[ Resolved ]
I think that the glyph design issue has been resolved ad nauseam.
Ken LUNDE
UTC
2022-09-03 19:29:10 UTC
Evidence
MISIDENTIFIED_GLYPH
WS2021 v3.0
[ Resolved ]
I think that the glyph design issue has been resolved ad nauseam.
Ken LUNDE
UTC
2022-09-03 19:31:07 UTC
Data for Unihan
UNIHAN_DATA
WS2021 v3.0
kStrange R:U+2AD72
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2022-09-19 00:53:15 UTC
Modified
Evidence
NEW_EVIDENCE
WS2021 v5.0
[ Unresolved ]

▲ A Chinese dictionary in the Cantonese dialect. London : Trübner and Co. ; Hong Kong : Lane, Crawford & Co. 1877. p. 461


▲ A Chinese dictionary in the Cantonese dialect. Rev. and enl. Hongkong : Kelly & Walsh 1910. p. 650
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2023-10-01 14:17:28 UTC

Meeting Minutes

DateDescription

Glyph Changes

Source ReferenceGlyph
UTC-00456
1.0

Raw Info
groupUTC
a) Source ReferenceUTC-00456
b) PUA Code PointU+E9C7
c) Kangxi Radical Code85
d) Stroke Count5
e) First Stroke2
g) Total Strokes8
i) IDS⿰氵𠕄
j) Similar IdeographsU+2AD72 𪵲
k) References for Evidence ImagesA Pocket Dictionary of Cantonese, Roy T. Cowles, Hong Kong, University Press, 1999: 2862