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142.0 虫
SC=23, FS=2 TS=29

GKJ-00355
IRGN2632WS2021v6.0Pending
To be submitted to WS2024 for consideration, IRG 61.
Kept postponed, IRG 60.
Postponed for further investigation, IRG 57.
Attributes:



Review Comments

Type
Description
Submitter
Evidence
EVIDENCE
WS2021 v1.0
[ Resolved ]

一切经音义三种校本合刊

一切經音義 朝鮮高宗二十三年至三十八年(1236-1251)大藏都監刻本

一切經音義 日本大正昭和間(1926-1931)東京大正一切經刊會鉛印暨影印本
TAO Yang
China
2021-06-07 07:57:29 UTC
Other
COMMENT
WS2021 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
As mentioned in the meeting by Wang Yifan, the same character was submitted in WS2017 as 03913 and was postponed because the text suggests it is a miswritten ligature.
Henry CHAN
Individual
2021-09-16 03:01:24 UTC
Unification
NO_UNIFICATION
WS2021 v4.0
[ Resolved ]
Keep it as a stable miswritten form.
TAO Yang
China
2023-03-19 17:52:56 UTC
Other
COMMENT
WS2021 v4.0
[ Resolved ]
Yes, this form is stable and not error, but the main and important issue is if it is suitable to encode an obvious ligature as a separate CJKUI. If yes, maybe I can provide hundreds even thousands of this kind of characters in future; if not, we can try to use other method to handle it by GSUB.

This is a typesetting issue beyond IRG.

On the other hand, this is a ligature of 蟲 insect and 鳥 bird, it is not easy to confirm which radical is suitable, both are right, but both are wrong.
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2023-03-21 08:54:29 UTC
Other
COMMENT
WS2021 v4.0
[ Resolved ]
This is page to show a demo to use 'liga' and 'ccmp' to handle the CJK ligature with WOFF. Note: this website will be removed when we finished the discussion.
http://ccamc.org/WS2021-liga/liga.xml



If you are interested in the font, please find here. https://gitee.com/eisoch/cjkliga

The 'liga' solution on CJKUI has been used by FounderType (方正字库) in 可口可乐在乎体. If any IRG expert thought this solution is not good, please also let FounderType know. Please see Section of the following page. Note: The term “EUDC” is not suitable to use here, and we all know they mean PUA, but there is no need to use PUA for this solution.
https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/3A49hplUiiL5iecJJeJwig

'ccmp' solution is the better one for me, and I add zwj between two elements.

If any IRG expert hasn’t known about OFF/OpenType and WOFF, please read ISO/IEC 14496-22:2019 and it Amd.1:2020, and the related W3C recommendation first.
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2023-03-21 13:38:19 UTC
Other
COMMENT
WS2021 v5.0
[ Resolved ]
Strongly support not encoding as cjkui simple ligatures of two characters (i.e. where two characters are simply squeezed together into a single character space for aesthetic or practical purposes) where there is no semantic difference between the ligatured and unligatured forms.
Andrew WEST
UK
2023-03-30 10:07:41 UTC
Other
OTHER
WS2021 v5.0
[ Resolved ]
Reply to Andrew’s comment #13218 & #14083.
Unlike ordinary accidental errors, regardless of whether the cause of the error is an incorrect combination or a clerical error, it does not affect the inclusion and encoding of such characters, as they were once considered correct characters and have been circulating in literature. Even if we or the ancients already know that they are incorrect characters, they still have academic research or proofreading significance, and have textual research value, so they should be retained.
These viewpoints come from my discussion with editorial experts from Zhonghua Book Company(中華書局).
TAO Yang
China
2023-10-16 09:32:22 UTC
Attributes
ATTRIBUTES_RADICAL
WS2021 v6.0
[ New ]
When this ideograph is submitted for IRG Working Set 2024 per its current status, please consider using Radical 196.0 (鳥).
Ken LUNDE
UTC
2024-02-11 19:14:24 UTC
Attributes
ATTRIBUTES_RADICAL
WS2021 v6.0
[ New ]
Agree with Ken’s comment #15049.
Change Radical to 196.0 (鳥), SC=18, FS=2
TAO Yang
China
2024-02-20 02:47:14 UTC

Meeting Minutes

DateDescription
IRG #62
2024-03-18 (Mon)
11:18 am +0800
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
kept postponed, but R=196.0 (鳥), SC=18.
IRG #61
2023-10-17 (Tue)
11:32 am -0400
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
to be submitted to WS2024 for consideration.
IRG #60
2023-03-22 (Wed)
9:04 am +0800
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
Keep postponed
IRG #57
2021-09-16 (Thu)
11:00 am +0800
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
Postponed for further investigation

Attribute Changes

VersionDescription
2.0
For 03670, change Status to Postponed
2.0
For 03670, add Discussion Record "Postponed for further investigation, IRG 57."
5.0
For 03670, add Discussion Record "Kept postponed, IRG 60."
6.0
For 03670, add Discussion Record "To be submitted to WS2024 for consideration, IRG 61."

Glyph Changes

Source ReferenceGlyph
GKJ-00355
1.0

Raw Info
groupChina (GKJ - Science and Technology Characters)
a) Source referenceGKJ-00355
b) PUA Code of TTFE08E
c) KangXi Radical Code(Primary)142.0
d) Stroke Count(Primary)23
e) First Stroke(Primary)2
g) Total Stroke Count29
i) IDS (Ideographic Description Sequence)⿱蟲鳥
j) Similar/ Variants N/A
k) Ref. to Evidence doc一切經音義 朝鮮高宗二十三年至三十八年(1236-1251)大藏都監刻本 一切經音義 續一切經音義十卷 日本元文三年至延亨三年(1738-1746)獅谷蓮社刻本 一切經音義 日本大正昭和間(1926-1931)東京大正一切經刊會鉛印暨影印本 一切經音義