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195.0 魚
SC=7, FS=1 TS=18

GKJ-00222
Evidence accepted, IRG 59.
Postponed for further investigation, IRG 57.
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Review Comments

Type
Description
Submitter
Evidence
EVIDENCE
WS2021 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
U+29D81


Here is the full evidence from 《韻經·十一梗》



▲韻經. 明嘉靖十八年(1539)長水書院刻本.

http://read.nlc.cn/allSearch/searchDetail?searchType=all&showType=1&indexName=data_892&fid=GBZX0301015813

韻經 is a rime dictionary, which means ⿰魚两 must rhyme with 邴寎蛃. If the phonetic component of ⿰魚两 is 两, it clearly does not rhyme with 蛃. I doubt ⿰魚两 is an error form of 𩶁.
HUANG Junliang
Individual
2021-06-24 02:15:16 UTC
Other
COMMENT
WS2021 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
The above comment by HUANG Junliang is confusing. In English if you say "I doubt X is Y", it normally means "I don't think that X is Y". Is that what is meant here? It seems rather that the intent is the opposite, in which case "I suspect that ⿰魚两 is an error form of 𩶁." would be better. If that is the case, then I agree with the comment.
Lee COLLINS
Vietnam
2021-09-16 18:00:50 UTC
Evidence
EVIDENCE
WS2021 v3.0
[ Resolved ]
丙 and 两 have a close relationship between each other. The paper below discusses etymology and diachronic changes of 丙 and 两. Therefore, ⿰魚两 appearing in Evidence 1 韻經五卷, after 蛃, is reasonable. I don't think we can immediately say ⿰魚两 is an error here.

““丙”与“两”二字形音义关系密切,使用时代互补,皆可证金文“两”为“丙”的分化字,
其量词用法继承自量词“丙””(p.36)
李建平、龙仕平2018 量词“丙”“两”的语源及其历时演变《古汉语研究》2018年03期,pp.32-38.
https://www.cnki.com.cn/article/cjfdtotal-ghyy201803004.htm

《韻經》五卷,成書于嘉靖十七年(1538),張之象編輯。全書正文包含了古韻和今韻兩部分内容,其古韻參照吳械的《韻補》和楊慎的《轉注古音略》,繼承中又有自己的創見,今韻依據詩韻,并結合實際語音,分韻為一百一十六部。
https://cdmd.cnki.com.cn/Article/CDMD-10394-1015720357.htm
LI Yuan
SAT
2022-07-06 05:35:36 UTC
Evidence
EVIDENCE
WS2021 v3.0
[ Resolved ]
Thanks for demonstration from LI Yuan.
Although ⿰魚两 is obviously the variant of 𩶁, there is no rule for unification of 丙 and 两. As a head character of a dictionary, it has an independent status other from the ones occasionally appear in the text.
TAO Yang
China
2022-07-11 13:08:12 UTC
Evidence
NEW_EVIDENCE
WS2021 v3.0
[ Resolved ]
Xieyang WANG
Individual
2022-10-20 03:45:31 UTC
Evidence
NEW_EVIDENCE
WS2021 v3.0
[ Resolved ]
Here is another printed version of 韻經:



韻經(明萬曆刊本)卷3 folio 7a

Suggest to move this character in M-set.
HUANG Junliang
Individual
2022-10-20 03:45:50 UTC

Meeting Minutes

DateDescription
IRG #59
2022-10-20 (Thu)
11:40 am +0800
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
pending for additional evidence
IRG #59
2022-10-20 (Thu)
11:49 am +0800
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
move back to M set, new evidences accepted.
IRG #57
2021-09-16 (Thu)
10:39 am +0800
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
Postponed for further investigation

Attribute Changes

VersionDescription
2.0
For 04587, add Discussion Record "Postponed for further investigation, IRG 57."
2.0
For 04587, change Status to Postponed
4.0
For 04587, change Status to OK
4.0
For 04587, add Discussion Record "Evidence accepted, IRG 59."

Glyph Changes

Source ReferenceGlyph
GKJ-00222
1.0

Raw Info
groupChina (GKJ - Science and Technology Characters)
a) Source referenceGKJ-00222
b) PUA Code of TTFE009
c) KangXi Radical Code(Primary)195.0
d) Stroke Count(Primary)7
e) First Stroke(Primary)1
g) Total Stroke Count18
i) IDS (Ideographic Description Sequence)⿰魚两
j) Similar/ Variants N/A
k) Ref. to Evidence doc韻經五卷