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85.0 水
SC=7, FS=4, TS=10

GDM-00422
No change, add new NUCV rules for 壮, 状, 妆 and 装, as described by Wang Yifan in #5908, IRG 64.
Similar To: Trad Variant𣶍 (U+23D8D)
U+23D8DU+23D8D
Attributes:



Review Comments

Type
Description
Submitter
Unification
UNIFICATION
WS2024 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
U+23D8D
Unify to 𣶍 (U+23D8D) per UCV #363, but I don’t know if this UCV is useful.
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2024-11-13 01:59:34 UTC
Unification
NO_UNIFICATION
WS2024 v1.0
[ Unresolved ]
suggest to remove the UCV.
Xieyang WANG
China
2024-11-13 02:41:00 UTC
Unification
NO_UNIFICATION
WS2024 v1.0
[ Unresolved ]
Simplified form should not be unified to traditional form.

Xieyang WANG
China
2024-11-13 02:49:21 UTC
Unification
UCV
WS2024 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
UCV #363 is such a bad UCV because in China 丬 and 爿 are generally considered to be a simplified/traditional distinction. I strongly support removing this UCV.
Andrew WEST
UK
2024-11-13 11:19:43 UTC
Other
COMMENT
WS2024 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
When we tried to remove UCV #363, or change it to NUCV #363, we need to re-discuss U+2E5A2 𮖢.
U+2E5A2


The current RS and TS matches KC-06763 ⿱艹装.

GB 18030—2022 also matches KC-06763 ⿱艹装.


It looks it is better to disunify SAT-03743 ⿱艹裝 to a new code point as UNC, RS=145.11, TS=17, FS=2. We also need to check if there are other similar issues.
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2024-11-14 01:05:40 UTC
Other
COMMENT
WS2024 v1.0
[ Unresolved ]
I remember that the 丬爿 disunification problem has been discussed once during the WS2017 age, where it was rejected with opposition by nearly all people except Chinese experts.

Given that 壮, 状... originated in 不可用作简化偏旁的简化字 in 《简化字总表》, newly assigning NUCV to those particular components seems a more modest way to me if we want them separated, rather than making UCV #363 disunified altogether.

WANG Yifan
SAT
2024-11-14 03:37:10 UTC
Other
COMMENT
WS2024 v2.0
[ Unresolved ]
NUCV idea is good.
Xieyang WANG
China
2025-02-19 17:00:00 UTC
Other
COMMENT
WS2024 v2.0
[ Unresolved ]
NUCV idea is good to me.
Xieyang WANG
China
2025-02-19 17:00:36 UTC
Editorial
EDITORIAL_ISSUE
WS2024 v2.0
[ Resolved ]
Suggest SAT submit a disunification proposal after accepting the new NUCV.
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2025-03-17 03:38:06 UTC
Evidence
NEW_EVIDENCE
WS2024 v3.0
[ New ]
Provided by Lin Anning (林安玲):

中华人民共和国水利部: 《中国河流泥沙公报—2023》, 中国水利水电出版社, 2024.4.1, p. 25



中华人民共和国水利部: 《中国河流泥沙公报—2023》, 中国水利水电出版社, 2024.4.1, p. 27

Ken LUNDE
Convenor
2025-06-06 19:49:00 UTC

Meeting Minutes

DateDescription
IRG #64
2025-03-18 (Tue)
10:47 am +0800
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
no change. add new NUCV 壮, 状, 妆,装, as described in #5908 by Wang Yifan.

Attribute Changes

VersionDescription
3.0
For 02085, add Discussion Record "No change, add new NUCV rules for 壮, 状, 妆 and 装, as described by Wang Yifan in #5908, IRG 64."

Glyph Changes

Source ReferenceGlyph
GDM-00422
1.0

Raw Info
Character ReferenceGDM-00422
CodepointE16D
Radical85.7
Stroke Count7
First Stroke4
Total Stroke10
IDS⿰氵状
VariantsTrad Variant𣶍
Pronunciationzhuang4
Total No. of Evidences2
NotesN/A
Secondary RadicalN/A
Secondary Stroke CountN/A
Secondary First StrokeN/A