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184.0 食
⿰飠寺
SC=6, FS=1, TS=15

UK-30458
Attributes:

Review Comments

Type
Description
Submitter
Attributes
ATTRIBUTES_TC
WS2024 v1.0
[ Unresolved ]
14
Lee COLLINS
Vietnam
2024-09-07 19:21:26 UTC
#2557
Attributes
ATTRIBUTES_TC
WS2024 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
I think 飠 is counted as 9 strokes, so total stroke count of 15 should be correct.
Andrew WEST
UK
2024-09-07 21:15:07 UTC
#2559
Attributes
ATTRIBUTES_TC
WS2024 v1.0
[ Unresolved ]
Unihan data, the ORT Attributes predictor, and most other candidates in WS2024 give 8. It would be better to be consistent.
Lee COLLINS
Vietnam
2024-09-08 18:29:14 UTC
#2594
Attributes
ATTRIBUTES_TC
WS2024 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
Looking at the stroke counts given in the code charts, for characters with 飠 in the residual part, the calculated stroke count of 飠 is 9 for Exts. A and B: U+3533 㔳 (22.11), U+20343 𠍃 (9.11), U+20957 𠥗 (22.11), U+243FC 𤏼 (86.13), U+20FF0 𠿰 (30.13), U+20FEE 𠿮 (30.13), U+21468 𡑨 (32.13), U+21F3D 𡼽 (46.13), U+24014 𤀔 (85.13), U+25F41 𥽁 (119.13), etc.

Only in Exts. C and later does the calculated stroke count of 飠 change to 8: U+2AF97 𪾗 (108.12), U+2BA1C 𫨜 (27.12), U+325A3 (30.12).

9 strokes seems more consistent, especially when you consider the standard J and K form 𩙿 which is definitely 9 strokes.
Andrew WEST
UK
2024-09-08 19:47:56 UTC
#2603
Attributes
ATTRIBUTES_TC
WS2024 v1.0
[ Unresolved ]
Given the variations across geographies and font designs, and the fact that unification precludes most shape-based determination of attributes, CJKJRG / IRG originally chose to use the Kangxi values, the most common denominator in dictionaries used by the CJKV countries. This avoided a lot of fruitless debate. Kangxi is 9 strokes, but as you point out, that later changed. I'm fine with either 8 or 9, but we should be consistent moving forward and change the ORT tools to support our decision. Otherwise, maybe we should just stop using TS.
Lee COLLINS
Vietnam
2024-09-09 20:07:30 UTC
#2804

Meeting Minutes

DateDescription

Glyph Changes

Source ReferenceGlyph
UK-30458
1.0
Raw Info
Character ReferenceUK-30458
CodepointE6BE
Radical184
Stroke Count6
First Stroke1
Total Stroke15
IDS⿰飠寺
VariantsN/A
PronunciationN/A
Normalization Ref.N/A
Total No. of Evidences5
NotesN/A
2nd RadicalN/A
2nd Stroke CountN/A
2nd First StrokeN/A

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