Character Info
04356
 (v7.0)  (v1.0) UK-20710 |
SC=16, FS=3, TS=24, IDS=⿱雨⿺鬼⿰三三, Glyph updated, 2024-05.
No glyph change, IRG 62.
Kept in Main Set, pending further discussion of the encoding model for Taoist characters, IRG 57.
No glyph change, IRG 62.
Kept in Main Set, pending further discussion of the encoding model for Taoist characters, IRG 57.
Attributes:
Meeting Minutes
| Date | Description |
|---|---|
| IRG #62 2024-03-20 (Wed) 11:08 am +0800 Recorded by CHEN Zhuang | bottom left glyph to be normalized. but ids to be discussed in irg62. |
| IRG #62 2024-03-20 (Wed) 11:10 am +0800 Recorded by CHEN Zhuang | bottom left glyph to be normalized. |
| IRG #62 2024-03-20 (Wed) 11:17 am +0800 Recorded by CHEN Zhuang | no glyph change. |
| IRG #57 2021-09-17 (Fri) 11:01 am +0800 Recorded by Henry CHAN | Kept in Main Set, pending further discussion of the encoding model for Taoist characters (automatically processed by IRG ORT Manager) |
Attribute Changes
| Version | Description |
|---|---|
| 2.0 | For 04356, add Discussion Record "Kept in Main Set, pending further discussion of the encoding model for Taoist characters, IRG 57." |
| 7.0 | For 04356, add Discussion Record "No glyph change, IRG 62." |
| 7.0 | For 04356, add Discussion Record "SC=16, FS=3, TS=24, IDS=⿱雨⿺鬼⿰三三, Glyph updated, 2024-05." |
| 7.0 | For 04356, change Stroke Count to 16 |
| 7.0 | For 04356, change First Stroke to 3 |
| 7.0 | For 04356, change Total Stroke Count to 24 |
Glyph Changes
| Source Reference | Glyph |
|---|---|
| UK-20710 | 1.0 🢂 7.0 |
Raw Info
| group | UK |
| a) Source reference | UK-20710 |
| b) PUA Code of TTF | E0E5 |
| c) KangXi Radical Code (Primary) | 173.0 |
| d) Stroke Count (Primary) | 14 |
| e) First Stroke (Primary) | 4 |
| f) Secondary KX Radical Code | N/A |
| f) a. Secondary Stroke Count | N/A |
| f) b. Secondary First Stroke | N/A |
| g) Total Stroke Count | 22 |
| i) IDS | ⿱雨⿺⿱甶儿⿰三三 |
| j) Similar/ Variants | N/A |
| k1) References to evidence documents | 《梵音斗科》（清雍正初刊本）卷下 folio 10 |
| k2) Images Filenames | UK-20707-001.jpg |
| l) Other Information | N/A |
| m1) Previous IRG WS | N/A |
| m2) Sequence No. | N/A |
Review Comments
IRG PnP 2.1.1.c says: characters must be used in script as characters in text. Logos and images used separately from running text are not acceptable.
The character should be categorized as logo as other two logos on the left side.
道教諱秘字專用造字集 Big5 Version
Per UCV 441, 鬼 and ⿱甶儿 are unifiable.
There are only seven other related characters (⿱雨⿺鬼☰, ⿱雨⿺鬼☴, ⿱雨⿺鬼☶, ⿱雨⿺鬼☵, ⿱雨⿺鬼☲, ⿱雨⿺鬼☳, ⿱雨⿺鬼☱) that require encoding, and these may submitted for WS2024 or a later working set.
《道法會元》（明正統道藏本）卷83 folio 13a:
I stick to my opinion although I must repect IRG's decision. And I will suggest Chinese government not to support these characters in future version of national standards.
八卦 with 鬼
The amount of this kind of characters is only 8*number when talking only the 8 Diagrams(八卦). But the amount will be big if all the 64 Diagrams and the 8 Diagrams(八卦) are considered. The amount will become 72*number(雨、雨+鬼、鬼、雨+食、雨+口……)
On the other hand, some Qing dynasty Daoist texts such as 《廣成儀制》consistently write 鬼 with a 厶 component (see UK-20751 etc.). Furthermore, in the modern typeset edition of the Daoist Canon (《中華道藏》, 2004), all characters with a 鬼 component are normalized to use 鬼 with 厶, as can be seen from this example from 《太上玄靈斗姆大聖元君本命延生心經》 (《正統道藏本》 edition shown first):
If the editors of an authoritative work such as 《中華道藏》 think it is appropriate to normalize 鬼 in all cases then I think it is OK for the UK submission to also normalize 鬼. Therefore, for consistency with UK-20737, UK-20751, UK-20752, UK-20754, UK-20755, UK-20756, UK-20757, UK-20760, and UK-20764, as well as those characters to be included in our WS2024 submission, we accept Huang Junliang's suggestion to normalize the 鬼 component of UK-20710.
▲ 龍龕手鑑（臺北故宮藏南宋刊本）卷2 folio 60a
See also different 魁 in historical context:
▲ https://zi.tools/zi/%E9%AD%81
More illustration:
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