Date | Description |
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IRG #61 2023-10-16 (Mon) 12:09 pm -0400 Recorded by CHEN Zhuang | Evidence accepted |
IRG #61 2023-10-16 (Mon) 12:09 pm -0400 Recorded by CHEN Zhuang | no change. |
Version | Description |
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6.0 | For 01878, add Discussion Record "No change, IRG 61." |
Source Reference | Glyph |
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GKJ-00298 | 1.0 |
group | China (GKJ - Science and Technology Characters) |
a) Source reference | GKJ-00298 |
b) PUA Code of TTF | E055 |
c) KangXi Radical Code(Primary) | 75.0 |
d) Stroke Count(Primary) | 16 |
e) First Stroke(Primary) | 3 |
g) Total Stroke Count | 20 |
i) IDS (Ideographic Description Sequence) | ⿰木⿱鳥囚 |
j) Similar/ Variants | N/A |
k) Ref. to Evidence doc | 集韻 |
Review Comments
Misprint of 𣝼. 《漢語大字典》pp. 1404 quotes《說文》:𣝼,屋𣝼䏈也。
https://homeinmists.ilotus.org/hd/hydzd3.php?st=page_no&kw=1404
▲ 《集韻校本》, 卷之一
▲ 方成珪: 《集韻考正》, 光緒刻本, 卷之一
▲ 《集韻》, 新興書局影四部備要本, 卷之一
▲ 《集韻》, 文淵閣四庫本, 卷一
▲ 《集韻》, 日本天保九年重刊顧廣圻補刻本, 卷一
▲ 《集韻》, 曹氏楝亭本, 卷一
▲ 《集韻》, 寧波明州述古堂影宋鈔本, 卷一
▲ 《集韻》, 潭州宋刻本, 卷一
Unify to 𣝼 U+2377C as per comment #9519.
Add new UCV ⿳自㓁𠔽 ~ ⿱鳥𠔿 ~ ⿱鳥囚.
Agree unify to 𣝼 (U+2377C).
Evidences all point to Shuowen, can apply liding unification rule.
That means the error originated from reasons such as printing machine malfunction, insufficient printing technology, and poor paper quality.
However, for ancient Chinese books, all characters are handwritten, engraved, and printed, and there are very few printing quality issues with the literature used as evidences, and there are no errors could be named as “misprint”.
2. "The rule of Liding" exceeds our authority.
Up to now, the study of ancient Chinese characters has been passed down for over 2000 years, and there has not yet been a unified set of Liding rules, making it impossible for us amateurs to provide professional advice.
Our responsibility is to ensure that the glyph of Kai style characters is stable, reliable, and can be encoded, and should not involve professional work in neighboring fields.
Determining that two Kaishu actual shapes correspond to the same ancient form, as suggested by IRGN2612, limits the determination to a relatively small scope. This unification rule would not be implicated if it were not special document (e.g., evidence or repertoire declaring the source of ancient forms), or special content (e.g., evidences here which are discussing character cognition directly referring to Shuowen or pre-Qin materials).
Sorry. “Clearly a case of different components therefore abstract shape is different” may not be clear itself.
In current UCV list, one may find many so-called “different components” that correspond to same abstract shape, such as |壬| |王| (#1), |天| |夭| (#8), |戌| |戍| (#49), |凡| |卂| (#55), |圣| |𢀖| (#87), |屮| |山| (#96), and so on. So only when “different component” means “different abstract component”, the sentence is correct.
In this case, |囚| and |𠔽| are indeed different actual shape, but according to evidence, they belong to the same abstract shape [𠔽] that is part of [𦤝].
If we want add a set of new UCV, the font should be commonly used, directly related, and with minimal variation. It's feasible to add ⿱鳥囚~⿱鳥𠔿~⿱鳥𠔽 as a new UCV. The right part ⿱鳥囚 is already totally different with ⿳自㓁𠔽, it does not comply with our previous principle of adding new combinations.
2. Representative variant characters should be independently encoded as unification targets
Other similar glyphs of ⿱鳥囚 are also collected during the project process. We chose one of them as the representative form and demonstrated its difference from 𣝼.
The encoding work is to find out valuable glyphs, rather than eliminate all variants. We should ensure the scale of unification to prevent excessive cultural loss.
3. This is a issure about Erroneous Transformation rather than Liding Unification Rule.
This character is generated during version transfer, not Liding from Small Seal Script directly. This is a question about variant characters, which has nothing to do with the rules of Liding.
4. IRGN2612 is not yet a rule that has been discussed and approved.
All the features of this character comply with the relevant regulations of PNP2.1, while IRGN2612 hasn't entered the discussion agenda, we don't need to take into account the imagination that has not yet become a reality.