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85.0 水
SC=10, FS=4, TS=13

UTC-00777
Back to M-set, IRG 64.
Withdrawn, IRG 63.

Exact Match: 滋 (U+FA99)

U+6ECBU+6ECB
U+FA99U+FA99
Attributes:



Review Comments

Type
Description
Submitter
Unification
UNIFICATION
WS2024 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
U+6ECB
This is already the U-source form of U+6ECB 滋, so UTC should submit a disunification proposal if they believe that ⿰氵玆 was incorrectly unified to 滋 (U+6ECB) (personally, I think the unification is correct).
Andrew WEST
UK
2024-08-19 08:52:47 UTC
Unification
NO_UNIFICATION
WS2024 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
|玆| and |兹| are similar.

Shuowen: “[玆] 黑也. 从二玄. 春秋傳曰: 何故使吾水玆?”
Shuowen: “[茲] 艸木多益. 从艸, 絲省聲.”

Guangyun: “[玆] (胡涓切, 匣先合四平) 說文曰: 黒也. 春秋傳曰: 何故使君 [吾] 水玆. 本亦音滋. 按: 本經只作滋.”
Guangyun: “[兹] (子之切, 精之開三平) 此也. 又姓. 左傳: 魯大夫兹無還.”

[茲] = ⿱ [艹(艸)] [𢆶(絲)], with phonetic symbol 絲 *TSƏ.
[玆] = ⿰ [玄] [玄], with phonetic symbol 玄 *WIN.
|⿰氵玆| in the evidence is [玆] with extra [氵], thus is not unified to [滋] = ⿰ [氵] [茲].
Kushim JIANG
China
2024-08-19 09:45:56 UTC
Other
OTHER
WS2024 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
My main point is that this character should not have been submitted for encoding, but a disunification proposal for U+6ECB should have been submitted instead.
Andrew WEST
UK
2024-08-19 15:05:18 UTC
Unification
NO_UNIFICATION
WS2024 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
This ideograph is a disunification of U+6ECB 滋 that also affects U+FA99 滋. If accepted, the kIRG_KPSource property value of U+FA99, KP1-52B4, should be moved to the new code point, the kIRG_KPSource property value of U+FA99 should be changed to KPU-0FA99, and the kIRG_USource property value of U+6ECB, UTC-00777, should be removed.

Note that disunifications have been processed via previous IRG working sets, which is why the UTC decided to submit this ideograph. UTC-01159, UTC-01162, and UTC-02972 in IRG Working Set 2017 served as precedents.
Ken LUNDE
Convenor
2024-08-29 17:44:48 UTC
Unification
UNIFICATION
WS2024 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
U+6ECB
玆 and 茲 have often been used interchangeably in later periods. The following four pieces of evidence are provided for reference. Based on this, it is suggested to keep the unification with 滋 and ⿰氵玆.

(1)李守奎,〈古音研究中應當注意的幾個文字問題〉,《饒宗頤國學院院刊》第六期,2019年8月,p.178-181.


(2) 《漢語大字典》亠部「玆」, P316-317.


(3)《玉篇》(嘉慶19年重修本)卷之一 平聲.七之.津之切,”[⿰氵玆]……說文益也。…..”


(4) MOE Variant Dict. A02274-008 :
Conifer TSENG
TCA
2024-09-03 05:55:41 UTC
Data for Unihan
UNIHAN_DATA
WS2024 v1.0
kFanqie 胡涓
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2024-11-15 01:01:21 UTC
Unification
NO_UNIFICATION
WS2024 v2.0
[ Resolved ]
Per the details in document IRG N2785, the UTC formally withdraws the withdraw of this ideograph, and requests that it be added back to the M Set.
Ken LUNDE
Convenor
2025-01-16 21:16:26 UTC

Meeting Minutes

DateDescription
IRG #64
2025-03-18 (Tue)
10:14 am +0800
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
back to m set.
IRG #63
2024-10-22 (Tue)
4:56 pm +0900
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
Not unified to 滋 U+6ECB, utc is suggested submitting disunification proposal.
IRG #63
2024-10-24 (Thu)
2:10 pm +0900
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
withdrawn, utc is suggested submitting disunification proposal.

Attribute Changes

VersionDescription
2.0
For 02127, change Status to Withdrawn
2.0
For 02127, add Discussion Record "Withdrawn, IRG 63."
3.0
For 02127, change Status to OK
3.0
For 02127, add Discussion Record "Back to M-set, IRG 64."

Glyph Changes

Source ReferenceGlyph
UTC-00777
1.0

Raw Info
Character ReferenceUTC-00777
CodepointEB08
Radical85
Stroke Count10
First Stroke4
Total Stroke13
IDS⿰氵玆
VariantsU+6ECB, U+FA99
PronunciationN/A
Total No. of Evidences1
NotesDisunification of U+FA99 (KP1-52B4)