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187.0 馬
SC=11, FS=2, TS=21

TE-4340
Not unified to 𩦧 (U+299A7), ROK horizontal extension suggested, IRG 64.
Postponed for unification with 𩦧 (U+299A7) and discussion of a new UCV rule of 曼, IRG 63.

Exact Match: 𩦧 (U+299A7)

U+299A7U+299A7
Attributes:



Review Comments

Type
Description
Submitter
Unification
UCV
WS2024 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
Apparent variant of : 𩦧 (U+299A7). This is not an exact match. We would need a new UCV to equate 曼 with ⿳日罒方and 㬅.
Lee COLLINS
Vietnam
2024-09-08 20:17:17 UTC
Other
COMMENT
WS2024 v1.0
[ Unresolved ]
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2024-09-11 14:53:43 UTC
Unification
NO_UNIFICATION
WS2024 v1.0
[ Unresolved ]
TCA has no objection to the merger of UCV#278 and 465, but hopes to encode WS2024-04254: Regarding the right-hand part of the character form, 曼 is the standard character, while 㬅, 𭦗, and ⿳日罒万 are all vulgar forms of 曼. However, in this set of relationships, ⿰馬曼 is to be unified with ⿰馬㬅, which means the standard form is being unified with a variant form. Logically, the standard form should take precedence over variant forms.
Conifer TSENG
TCA
2024-10-17 08:29:32 UTC
Other
COMMENT
WS2024 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
The simplified form is in Extension I.

U+2EE4E
Ken LUNDE
Convenor
2024-10-22 07:24:21 UTC
Unification
NO_UNIFICATION
WS2024 v1.0
[ Unresolved ]
Agree with comment #5493. For ideographs used in registered residence system of government, it's better to unify them not just based on the rationale from a very professional view. We should handle characters used in registered residence systems in a more practical way. I recommond member bodies agree with this point to submit a proposal together and add following principles in IRG PnP( a rough draft).
For ideographs used in Government Administration System, if
1. There are structual differences which can cause the change of radical;
2. The different structures are non-cognate with each other in modern times and have major stroke differences(in this case, it is 方 and 又);
The two unifiable ideograph can be disunified under the request of Regional or national member bodies.
Xieyang WANG
China
2024-10-26 02:28:15 UTC
Other
COMMENT
WS2024 v1.0
[ Unresolved ]
No government can make all window staff understand the source of Chinese characters and the corresponding relationships between various shapes like IRG experts. However, the window staff are one of the main groups who will use the characters after the characters are encoded.
Xieyang WANG
China
2024-10-26 02:38:37 UTC
Unification
NO_UNIFICATION
WS2024 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
As the simplified variant U+2EE4E 𮹎 (⿰马曼) already exists, it is useful to encode TE-4340. If TE-4340 is unified to 𩦧 (U+299A7) then U+2EE4E will remain an orphan simplified form as it cannot traditionalfy to U+299A7.
Andrew WEST
UK
2024-10-26 10:27:27 UTC
Unification
NO_UNIFICATION
WS2024 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
Agree comment #5691 as simplified form already encoded then it makes sense to encode the traditional form.
John Knightley
Individual
2024-10-28 00:42:26 UTC
Unification
NO_UNIFICATION
WS2024 v2.0
[ Unresolved ]
Thank you all. Need to be added back to the M set.
Conifer TSENG
TCA
2025-03-18 02:04:23 UTC

Meeting Minutes

DateDescription
IRG #64
2025-03-19 (Wed)
9:10 am +0800
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
back to m set, not unified to 𩦧 (U+299A7)
IRG #64
2025-03-19 (Wed)
9:10 am +0800
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
back to m set, not unified to 𩦧 (U+299A7)
IRG #64
2025-03-19 (Wed)
9:11 am +0800
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
back to m set, not unified to 𩦧 (U+299A7), ROK horizontal extension suggested.
IRG #63
2024-10-22 (Tue)
4:24 pm +0900
Recorded by CHEN Zhuang
postponed for unification with 𩦧 (U+299A7) and new ucv of 曼.

Attribute Changes

VersionDescription
2.0
For 04254, change Status to Postponed
2.0
For 04254, add Discussion Record "Postponed for unification with 𩦧 (U+299A7) and discussion of a new UCV rule of 曼, IRG 63."
3.0
For 04254, change Status to Not Unified
3.0
For 04254, add Discussion Record "Not unified to 𩦧 (U+299A7), ROK horizontal extension suggested, IRG 64."

Glyph Changes

Source ReferenceGlyph
TE-4340
1.0

Raw Info
Character ReferenceTE-4340
CodepointE38C
Radical187.0
Stroke Count11
First Stroke2
Total Stroke21
IDS⿰馬曼
VariantsN/A
Pronunciationmàn
Total No. of Evidences2
NotesN/A