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173.0 雨
SC=14, FS=4 TS=22

UK-20710
Kept in Main Set, pending further discussion of the encoding model for Taoist characters, IRG 57.
Attributes:



Review Comments

Type
Description
Submitter
Evidence
UNCLEAR_EVIDENCE
WS2021 v1.0
[ Resolved ]
It seems that the evidence does not satisfy IRG PnP 2.1.1.c, so it should be rejected.
IRG PnP 2.1.1.c says: characters must be used in script as characters in text. Logos and images used separately from running text are not acceptable.
The character should be categorized as logo as other two logos on the left side.
Xieyang WANG
Individual
2021-05-23 02:00:44 UTC
Evidence
UNCLEAR_EVIDENCE
WS2021 v2.0
[ Unresolved ]
The character contains ☷ (U+2637,坤卦) which is not a CJKUI. So this character should not be encoded.
Xieyang WANG
Individual
2022-03-13 09:15:23 UTC
Evidence
UNCLEAR_EVIDENCE (Response)
WS2021 v3.0
[ Unresolved ]
Incorporating a non-CJKUI element such as ☷ is not a valid reason not to encode this character. There are other CJK unified ideographs which include elements from other scripts; in WS2021 we have Hanja-Hangul hybrid characters with ᆨ such as KC-00811, KC-01727, KC-02286, KC-03983, KC-03520; and characters derived from Latin script symbols such as UTC-03225 (derived from ℔ pound sign), UTC-03226 (氵+ ʒ = fluidram), and UTC-03227 (氵+ ℥ = fluidounce).
Andrew WEST
UK
2022-09-06 15:29:59 UTC
Data for Unihan
UNIHAN_DATA
WS2021 v4.0
kStrange candidate
Eiso CHAN
Individual
2023-02-01 05:22:33 UTC
Modified
Data for Unihan
UNIHAN_DATA
WS2021 v5.0
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Ken LUNDE
UTC
2023-07-07 02:45:19 UTC
Evidence
UNCLEAR_EVIDENCE
WS2021 v5.0
[ Unresolved ]
Should be postponed according to experts' opinion in IRGN2579.
Xieyang WANG
Individual
2023-10-17 14:34:34 UTC
Evidence
UNCLEAR_EVIDENCE
WS2021 v5.0
[ Unresolved ]
Every character of Bagua(八卦) can be used in this way and the radical 雨+鬼 can be replace by 雨 or 鬼. This will leads to a set of 64*3=192 this kind of characters. So I sugget to postpone or pending the character and wait until we know how to handle the Taoist characters.

道教諱秘字專用造字集 Big5 Version
Xieyang WANG
Individual
2023-10-18 03:51:19 UTC
Glyph Design & Normalization
NORMALIZATION
WS2021 v6.0
[ New ]
Normalize to ⿱雨⿺鬼⿰三三.

Per UCV 441, 鬼 and ⿱甶儿 are unifiable.
HUANG Junliang
Individual
2024-02-20 15:09:15 UTC
Glyph Design & Normalization
NORMALIZATION
WS2021 v6.0
[ New ]
Agree to normalize the 鬼 component as suggested by Huang Junliang.
Andrew WEST
UK
2024-02-20 16:20:35 UTC
Evidence
EVIDENCE
WS2021 v6.0
[ New ]
No reason to postpone this character, as it is clearly attested, and required for the digital transcription of the text used for the primary evidence.

There are only seven other related characters (⿱雨⿺鬼☰, ⿱雨⿺鬼☴, ⿱雨⿺鬼☶, ⿱雨⿺鬼☵, ⿱雨⿺鬼☲, ⿱雨⿺鬼☳, ⿱雨⿺鬼☱) that require encoding, and these may submitted for WS2024 or a later working set.

《道法會元》(明正統道藏本)卷83 folio 13a:
Andrew WEST
UK
2024-02-20 16:30:49 UTC

Meeting Minutes

DateDescription
IRG #57
2021-09-17 (Fri)
11:01 am +0800
Recorded by Henry CHAN
Kept in Main Set, pending further discussion of the encoding model for Taoist characters (automatically processed by IRG ORT Manager)

Attribute Changes

VersionDescription
2.0
For 04356, add Discussion Record "Kept in Main Set, pending further discussion of the encoding model for Taoist characters, IRG 57."

Glyph Changes

Source ReferenceGlyph
UK-20710
1.0

Raw Info
groupUK
a) Source referenceUK-20710
b) PUA Code of TTFE0E5
c) KangXi Radical Code (Primary)173.0
d) Stroke Count (Primary)14
e) First Stroke (Primary)4
f) Secondary KX Radical CodeN/A
f) a. Secondary Stroke CountN/A
f) b. Secondary First StrokeN/A
g) Total Stroke Count22
i) IDS⿱雨⿺⿱甶儿⿰三三
j) Similar/ Variants N/A
k1) References to evidence documents《梵音斗科》(清雍正初刊本)卷下 folio 10
k2) Images FilenamesUK-20707-001.jpg
l) Other InformationN/A
m1) Previous IRG WSN/A
m2) Sequence No.N/A