Character Info
02113
 GZ-4722601 |
IRGN2809WS2024v3.0Pending
Postponed for further investigation of glyph, IRG 63.
Postponed for further investigation of glyph, IRG 63.
Attributes:
Meeting Minutes
| Date | Description |
|---|---|
| IRG #65 2025-10-14 (Tue) 3:08 pm +0800 Recorded by CHEN Zhuang | back to m set. |
| IRG #63 2024-10-23 (Wed) 9:21 am +0900 Recorded by CHEN Zhuang | Postponed for further investigation of glyph. |
Attribute Changes
| Version | Description |
|---|---|
| 2.0 | For 02113, change Status to Postponed |
| 2.0 | For 02113, add Discussion Record "Postponed for further investigation of glyph, IRG 63." |
Glyph Changes
| Source Reference | Glyph |
|---|---|
| GZ-4722601 | 1.0 |
Raw Info
| Character Reference | GZ-4722601 |
| Codepoint | E3BE |
| Radical | 85.0 |
| Stroke Count | 9 |
| First Stroke | 5 |
| Total Stroke | 12 |
| IDS | ⿰氵昼 |
| Variants | N/A |
| Pronunciation | suz |
| Normalization Ref. | N/A |
| Total No. of Evidences | 1 |
| Notes | Original PUA codepoint: F6A41. |
Review Comments
The Zhuang reading of U+316B9 𱚹 is sux*. For the standard reading, the tone mark -x/-ч corresponds to 阳上 (John said this reading is used in Longzhou Zhuang), but the tone of 昼 should be 阴去 (-q/-ƽ). On the other hand, the middle Chinese finals (韵母) of 手 and 昼 are the same, and one 老借 reading of 手 I collected is suj; that 知母 reads as [s-]/[θ-] is very common. For common 腔词结合 rule in Cantonese Yueju Opera, Cantonese Yuequ Show and Cantonese pop songs, 阳上 (Tone 5) and 阴去 (Tone 3) could mean to the same musical scale, such as 上 (Gongche) for 平喉.
The semantic rationale of U+316B9 𱚹 in Zhuang and Tày is still NOT obvious. If it is the way like 臼 and 旧, 幺 and 么 to distinguish the meanings, the submitted glyph is acceptable; if we can not confirm this, it is better to change the glyph to match the evidence.
Re comments #2119 and #2220: the bottom right should be "且" or, in other words, the right hand part should be U+316B9 𱚹.
Re comment #5928: both ⿰氵𱚹 suz (a hole) and U+316B9 𱚹 sux (to know) are Longzhou Zhuang words. They follow the an established pattern for common and uncommon words.The character used for a common words can not be broken down and is memorised by rote. The character for less a common word consists of a memorised by rote character used as a phonetic combined with a semantic radical and that the tone of the phonetic part is ignored, just the sound is used.